LOST All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues

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What do you want? Dr. Durag didn't trust me with his antibiotics, so I had to hump it up here every day to get my meds. You know, less magnanimous man than I might just be thinking he could beat the ever-living snot out of you right now without fear of reprisal. You want a shot? Take it. Know that I left this camp out of shame for what I did to you. It was never my intention to return. Sorry. Fresh out of sweet forgiveness. It wasn't your intention to return, then why did you?

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Welcome everyone to this episode of Sass and Sips, where every week we will be discussing and dissecting an episode of Lost in Order. I'm Lisa.

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And I'm not Lisa. As you guys know by now.

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As you as you all can tell, this is very informal.

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I think they've gathered that thus far. We drink.

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And we have interruptions by children. Speaking of children, we have a guest this week. The only one who has the slightest hint of what they're doing here.

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Thank God someone does.

SPEAKER_02 1:40

Introduce yourself. I'm Nalinda. That's Nalinda, that's my daughter. And she is going to talk about this episode with us. And she is not drinking. Because she is underage.

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You don't know that.

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I know that. You were there. I sure was. So we're gonna read the synopsis and then we're gonna talk. Do you wanna read or do you want me to read?

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Day 16. The survivors are shocked as Hurley frantically explains that Ethan was not on the plane. Jack notices that Charlie and Claire are missing, prompting Locke and him to run for the beach where they were apparently heading. In the jungle, they find Claire's bag, along with scattered footprints indicating a struggle. Jack shouts for them, but Locke tells him to be quiet so as not to lose the element of surprise in their ensuing hunt. The pair starts following telltale markings left by Ethan. Locke discusses the concept of others on the island and suggests returning to camp and forming a search party. Jack disagrees and heads off along to the jungle.

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In the first flashback, in surgery, Jack struggles to save the life of a young woman. She goes into cardiac arrest and Jack uses a crash cart, but the woman is beyond saving. Despite being told to call it, Jack continues to try to resuscitate her. His father eventually intervenes, and Jack is extremely angry with him, telling him to call it himself. A nurse places a sheet over the dead woman as Christian scolds Jack for taking over his operation. Apparently, Christian had been called to surgery when the woman crashed while he was having lunch at a restaurant and asks Jack how he knew about the procedure. Jack replies that a nurse came and told him Christian's hands were shaking and had made a mistake during her initial surgery, cutting the patient's hepatic artery. The two argue as Christian defends his abilities. Jack asks his father how many drinks he had at lunch, causing him to stop talking.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

Didn't I say the first flashback and his father issues? I said something along these lines.

SPEAKER_02 3:52

You hit it on the nose.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

I am an expert on TV people.

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SPEAKER_02 4:21

Okay. So as long as so as long as I have to like bribe you to continue the podcast. Yes. The bagel train stops.

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I will do the podcast as long as the bagel train keeps rolling into the station.

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At the caves, Locke quickly recruits Kate and Boone, despite Shannon's reservations, but refuses Michael and Walt when they offer their services. Heading out, the group soon catches up with Jack, who has been unknowingly running in circles. Locke wants Jack to go back, him being the only doctor on the island, but he refuses and the group and the group moves out. Back at the caves, Michael talks to Hurley about being left out of the main group. Walt joins the conversation, arguing that Locke can do so many things, so they should just trust his judgment. This is not well received by Mark by Michael, who leaves his son with Hurley and heads south to look for Claire and Charlie. Locke marks his sight his line of sight as Jack grows increasingly impatient. Jack wants to move immediately, but Locke needs time to find the trail and catches Baron. Kate questions Jack's mood and he admits that he never believed Claire's claims that someone was trying to hurt her. Locke suddenly shouts for Jack and shouts that he has found the L from the late finger bands Charlie Bears. Continuing through the jungle, they find the A pointing in one direction. But Locke also sees footprints heading off in another. Kate suggests that Ethan could be setting up a dummy trail. This causes everyone to question how she suddenly known so much about tracking. With no way of knowing which direction is the right one. Hold on.

SPEAKER_01 6:54

So I gotta say, Lisa, and uh this is the scene, this is the part of the show that I started having my doubts about Locke. I still love you, Terry, but I started like my heart was like, wait, what, wait, something's not right. But yes, we'll uh Yeah, what are you gonna say?

SPEAKER_02 7:15

No, I have a note um pointing out how Loc was undermining Jack.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

Yeah, because I think it my thing was like something's not right. Like I'm having my doubts about Locke's stability, and I was like, please let me be wrong, please let me be wrong. Oh god, if you guys haven't seen this episode yet, it's painful.

SPEAKER_02 7:41

Um, but the fact that he undermines Jack kind of had similarities to the way Jack's father is always undermining him.

SPEAKER_01 7:51

Ah, I didn't see that. I didn't notice that. We took it to two different levels, and you know both levels are right.

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Hold on, I hear a child that's gonna be a little bit more.

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The child should be in sight classes.

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Do you remember where you stopped reading? Yeah, because you gotta kinda look and catch the cues.

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With no way of knowing which direction is the right one, the group splits with Luck leading Boone and Kate, tracking with Jack. Back at the cave, Sawyer hears about the mission from Walt and suggests that Ethan might have simply lied about his name for the manifest. Walt says that it's stupid to lie about your name. Sawyer chuckles and asks Walt for his opinion. Walt thinks other people might live on the island, and this supports his claims with Said's comments about hearing whispers in the jungle. The news that Saeed has returned causes Sawyer to take notice. Locke and Boone move on their path. Boone comments comments how on Star Trek the red shirts always got killed. He asks Locke what he did in the real world. Locke says he worked at a box company, but Boone does not believe him. On the other path, Kate tells Jack to slow down. She explains that she learned to track from her father, an ex-soldier in the army with whom she used to hike and track a deer.

SPEAKER_02 9:06

We got a little information about Locke. We learned from the last episode. He lived most of his life in Tuston, California. And he works at a box company. Let's talk about this scene with Locke and Boone.

SPEAKER_00 9:20

Never watch Star Trek? Not really. The crew guys? Shall we go down to the planet with the main guys? Captain and 20 years ago. They always wore red shirts. And they always got killed. What do you do in the real world, Mr. Like? John. John? What did you guess? Regional collection supervisor for a box company. A box company?

SPEAKER_06 10:10

I mean boxes. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 10:41

I think I just think it's funny because I I think a box, a collection supervisor at a box company is kind of the last thing that you would think of seeing his behavior. But then again, when you look back on his episode and you just see it's very mundane, it kind of makes sense. But it's funny that Boom is a good one.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

I think because we know, so it makes sense. Because we know. I like the fact that it's funny when Boom's like, yeah, right. He's like, that's like in his mind, he's seeing him like every double seven kind of that's you know and then yeah, just go with that.

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And then the later scene, Locke is like, it's gonna rain in one minute, give or take a few seconds. And he's right.

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And Boone is like, he's like, Jenna protects who has had a box company.

SPEAKER_01 11:30

But if you think about it, we know when it's gonna rain. Like, you know, because first of all, he hasn't like for whatever reason he can walk all of a sudden, but only he has some kind of injury, and then two, because you can feel that in your bones. So he's probably gonna two, you ever smell a thunderstorm before the before it's gonna come if you can smell the ozone. He's but you can't. This one is my man.

SPEAKER_04 11:54

You can tell, like you can see like clouds rolling in, but you can't pinpoint the exact time.

SPEAKER_02 11:59

Well, maybe not to the minute, but you can smell it. You can tell that it's gonna even feel it.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

You can you can never say none can say, oh, it's gonna be a minute to be like it's gonna start pouring any second now. You know, it's like that smell of oh, it's gonna be like, oh, it's gonna pour, get in the house now, and then boom. And then I think if we think about it, you probably can tell when it's gonna rain, like, oh, it's gonna rain. Come out to no comment. Because it could be a comedy to me, like, oh, it's not gonna rain yet. Although you're like, oh shit. But this is the episode where my heart gets kind of broken. Because Luck's abilities come into question a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 12:41

Why why do you feel that way? Um what makes you question his abilities? He predicted the winner.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

I ended up saying that he's I don't think he's been lucky the whole thus far. I think he has some skills, but he's not the super hunter that people are assuming he is percent. Are you?

SPEAKER_02 13:04

Like he is still. Are you referring to the fact that the trails diverged and he picked the wrong one?

SPEAKER_01 13:11

Not so that because it happens. It's more of his you can see the doubt in his own face. That is what triggered me. Like he's still talking, but you he's the look in his face, he's he's doubting himself.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

So, like, no, okay, not you, Locke, no. I have something for that when we get to the end.

SPEAKER_01 13:33

That's what she said.

SPEAKER_02 13:37

All right, Michael Scott.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

Listen, I've seen a few episodes, okay? All right.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

The one where Stanley has the heart attack, it's like one of the funniest episodes in the whole show. Where they get the guy to come the girl to come in and do CPR. T she's just I'm gonna send you the episode.

SPEAKER_01 13:57

You're not making me watch any more shows I don't want to watch.

SPEAKER_02 14:03

It's a half hour. 22 minutes. You can do it.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

No, you're not making me. If you may be watching something else I don't want to watch, or the bribing me more food. Okay, fine. Cannolis and rainbow cookies for Montalinis. And lots of food.

SPEAKER_02 14:21

Food.

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Alright, flashback time.

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Okay. The next day in a flashback, Jack is called to Christian's office. His father has written up the report for the dead woman, which states the patient's death was unavoidable. Jack, however, argues that his father was impaired. But Christian points out Jack is listed as the surgeon on record. If Jack can test the report, Christian could lose his license, but Jack does not seem to care. Christian manages to change his son's mind by convincing him his job is his life and by giving Jack a long overdue apology for treating him so harshly when he was growing up. In the end, Jack signs the document, much to Christian's relief.

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At the cave, Said awakens to see Sawyer standing over him. Sawyer threatened Said but stops himself from carrying out his revenge when he hears about the French woman and her claims of others on the island. The mention of the whispering intrigues Sawyer. Deciding not to retaliate, Sawyer leaves, mentioning as he goes that he kept the signal fire burning while Said was away. Meanwhile, at the beach, Walt defeats Hurley at Batgammon again, managing to correctly roll required numbers several times. Walt accidentally reveals that he had another father, and Hurley soon leaves, but not before Walt reminds him that he owes him $20,000.

SPEAKER_02 15:42

Let's talk about this.

SPEAKER_01 15:43

What should we just talk about? What are we discussing?

SPEAKER_02 15:46

First of all, I don't know how to play Batgammon.

SPEAKER_01 15:49

Neither do I. I yeah, it's it's it's something that I can't it eludes me.

SPEAKER_02 15:55

So dice, the roll. But get stuff. But every time Walt rolled, he got the number that he needed.

SPEAKER_01 16:05

What are the odds? I'm sure there's some mathematicians out there that can tell me the odds. And if I remember some high school math, I could probably figure it out. But yeah, that's not happening anymore.

SPEAKER_02 16:14

We need to ask Sae the odds. He's the one who knows math.

SPEAKER_01 16:18

My brain is pickled.

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And Hurley tells him.

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He's a warrior.

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Hurley tells him that he's good at backgammon.

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He ranked 17.

SPEAKER_02 16:34

We learn that Walt had another dad, Brian. So we kind of we get a little tidbit of of his life. And Hurley says Hurley owes him 20 grand and says he'll get it.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

I thought that was cute.

SPEAKER_02 16:51

You'll get it, dude.

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Still searching, Locke follows a gut instinct trying to find Claire and Charlie. Boone talks about his life, working as part of his mother's wedding firm. Locke suggests Boone head back, but the young man refuses. As the rain starts to fall, both teams carry on. Jack and Kate stumble on the T from Charlie's bands, and Jack hears a distinct, a distant scream. Though Kate does not hear it, Jack climbs up a small hill in the pouring rain. He slips and tumbles back to the ground below. Pulling himself together, he sees Ethan standing over him. Ethan threatens to kill one of his prisoners if Jack keeps following him. They fight, but Ethan easily overpowers the doctor and knocks him out. A few minutes later, Jack regains consciousness with Kate at his side. Kate tells him to sit, but Jack says he will not let Ethan do this. Not again, and runs after him.

SPEAKER_02 17:43

Do you think Jack imagined that scene with Ethan? Or do you think it really happened?

SPEAKER_01 17:48

Which scene?

SPEAKER_02 17:49

When Jack is looking for Charlie and they're climbing up that hill kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 17:55

Oh, wait, that that that scene. Duh, fuck. My brain shut down for half a second.

SPEAKER_02 17:59

Yeah, and Kate is magically not there. So when and Jack falls when he wakes up and Ethan is there.

SPEAKER_01 18:05

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 18:07

And Ethan gets to sleep in there.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

I don't know. I honestly don't know. I was like, wait, what? No, because I could have sworn. I'm like, yeah, it happened. I can see it totally happening. But then like, what's taking Kate so long? I'm thinking as he's getting his ass kicked. I'm like, where's Kate? Shouldn't she be here by now?

SPEAKER_02 18:27

Right? Because she just never acknowledges any of it.

SPEAKER_01 18:30

Right. So I'm like, what the hell? So maybe it didn't happen. Or, considering this is the magical island of polar bears, it is quite possible it actually happened. But didn't happen, but really happened.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

What do you think? You think it happened or didn't happen?

SPEAKER_03 18:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:47

Yeah, which?

SPEAKER_03 18:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:49

That's not an end. Yes. Yes. It happened? Yes. Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 18:55

I think there's some kind of time lapse or something. I think it actually happened. And but it was a kind of magical lost island time lapse of something happened. I don't know. It happened, but didn't happen, but it really did happen. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

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We go back to a flashback. Later, as Jack walks down a hallway in the hospital, he sees his father talking to a man. A nurse tells Jack that's her husband and he is threatening to sue. Christian comforts the man as he sobs. Christian puts a hand on the man's shoulder in exactly the same way he had comforted Jack during his apology the day before. Jack quietly scenes when seeing this display and realizes his father's apology the day before was not sincere. At a board hearing, Christian justifies his position and recites his testimony of the events. He concludes that the damage the woman had incurred was beyond medical help. The board members thank Christian and apologize for the procedure. But Jack is suddenly startled as an official adds, And you were aware that the patient was pregnant? To his astonishment, Christian confirms this and Jack realized that he has been deceived. Just as the hearing is adjourning, Jack says that he must revise his statement. He reveals his father was intoxicated while working, and in his professional opinion, this led to the patient's death.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

I have a question. Yeah. Wouldn't it be kind of clear if they went to check the artery being nicked in surgery as opposed to being damaged in the accident? They look totally different.

SPEAKER_02 20:42

But I I would imagine only if the if somebody performed an autopsy. Because if she came in with those kind of injuries, like traumatic injuries from a car crash, it's very likely that she could have succumbed to her injuries.

SPEAKER_01 21:00

But since they've already questioning him, you know what I mean? If it's something so clear-cut, they wouldn't be questioning him. I think it's like, you know.

SPEAKER_02 21:09

I I don't know much about um maybe somebody out there, if you know, maybe you can help clear us up. I assume that whenever a patient dies on the operating table, the hospital just has a due diligence to look into it to have basically CYA.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

But they also have a what is called an I don't know, an MM, a morbid mentality comp like what went wrong, what could be done better? And normally they have like autopsies to go with it, like what happened, along with operation notes and whatever that goes with it. So I think they missed a step in this particular in this writing. But that's just me. Because I mean it's easy to find if you're gonna question a democracy if you get to the point where you want to question what happened, part of it isn't examining the body, and then you know, you know, you just I'm like, okay, what happened? Let's not examine the body, this is my now what happened, this and ask the doctor what happened, and not examine the body seems like it's a little it's a whole lot of bullshit to me.

SPEAKER_02 22:11

But anyway, I'm just my little expert expert opinion. I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

Um I don't know either.

SPEAKER_02 22:19

It could be what you said, and it could just be for TV's sake. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

Yeah. I mean they wa he was Funce like their superstar surgeon, so it's probably a really bullshit investigation. As you know, it's all politics. I'm way too literal with this damn TV show. I think I've reached my limit of sips to take today.

SPEAKER_02 22:40

In this episode, we learn what caused the rift between Jack and his father, and what Jack did. I think it's safe to ask. Do you agree with what Jack did?

SPEAKER_01 22:58

As a doctor, absolutely. As a child, that's a hard one to go by. That's hard. I I just it's that's there's no I don't think in the situation there is no right or wrong answer.

SPEAKER_04 23:12

Alright.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

Lelinda, what do you think?

SPEAKER_04 23:15

Well about if what he did was right. The right thing, yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, if it's your parent or not, if that if that was me, you would write me out? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:27

In a heartbeat.

SPEAKER_04 23:28

Yeah. Same thing with that.

SPEAKER_02 23:31

When I rob a bank, I'm not taking her.

SPEAKER_04 23:34

But same but same thing with that. Like if he if that happened and he was uh under the influence while performing uh on somebody, which led to their death, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

I totally understand his hesitance at the very end. He's like, ah, I can't, like, I can I get it. A parent and child relationship in the best relationship, best position, no one wants to be in. As a doctor, it's easy to say absolutely, but it's just like I uh you know, you know what I mean? Like, what do you do?

SPEAKER_02 24:12

I don't know. I I wouldn't even know. Honestly, I don't know. But I do think that Jack recognized that it was it was a pattern. And may we don't know if somebody else had died or but I think that Jack recognized that his father has a problem.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 24:29

And this might have been the way the only way to yeah, no, totally get it. For for for right or for wrong. That was his way of helping.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

Absolutely. I like that's this is one situation where I don't see him as a bad person. I see him as a person in a really fucked up position. And you try to make the best decision you can. And I'm saying that as a mother and as a child, I it's uh yeah. Them the breaks, dogs.

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Moments later, they find the final letter, E. Only to see that it is on Charlie's hand and that he has been hanging from a tree by his neck. As Dra as Jack grabs him, Kate manages to cut him down, and Kate holds Charlie's hand as the doctor begins CPR. Kate begins to cry as after many moments there is still no response from Charlie. While Jack continues to pat on Charlie's chest, Kate tries to get Jack to stop. Which he does, before once again continuing, refusing to give up. This time Charlie wakes up coughing as Jack and Kate cry with happiness. Back at the cave, Walt comments that Charlie had not spoken since Jack and Kate brought him back. Charlie sits silently. Jack promises to go back out for Claire the moment the sun comes up. And Charlie coolly says that he does not remember anything. He ominously adds they were after Claire all along. Meanwhile, a word channel approaches Kate, telling her Loc and Boone have not returned yet. Out in the jungle, Boone concludes they are lost. He says he wants to go back, and when Locke tosses him a flashlight, he fails to catch it. As it hits the ground, they hear a metallic clank, and Loc says it is something made of steel. Part of the plane? Boone asks. But Loc seems to think otherwise. The two began to unearth a structure beneath the earth.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

What do you think they found? Before you watched it. Like when your very first time you saw it, what did you think?

SPEAKER_02 26:24

I had no I had no clue. But you mentioned that you feel like Locke lost his way a little bit here. Yes. And I feel like it's the opposite. Interesting. As they were walking, Locke mentions to Boone that the trail went cold, something like a quarter mile back. Right. But he's still saying, Can't you feel it in your gut? Locke is walking with a purpose.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

Interesting. That's the interesting point. I see your point. And even towards the end, I don't honestly, I don't even know if he was actually following Charlie or his gut was following this box. Right.

SPEAKER_02 27:09

I was just gonna say that he might he might have realized that Kate could track and let them go on purpose. We learn a little more about Kate.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

And you already know, we already know now that his there's something special between him and his island. Yeah. Like no one else is magically changed.

SPEAKER_02 27:32

And and at the end, right before Boone decides that he's gonna turn around and go back, Locke is like, Can't you feel it? And they were standing there right before he threw him the flashlight.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

Ah, see, thank you for renewing my hope in my man Loc.

SPEAKER_02 27:48

You're welcome.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

I feel better now. Love you, Terry.

SPEAKER_02 27:52

I could be full of shit.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

I hate when you do that.

SPEAKER_02 27:57

I know.

SPEAKER_01 27:58

I still love that's still my man Locke. Okay. And listen, look now if he turns out to be a totally psycho bad guy. I swear to god, I'm never watching the show again and I'm ending our friendship.

SPEAKER_02 28:12

Okay. We learn that Kate can track, and sh her dad is in the military, so we learn just allegedly. Just a teeny piece of Kate's actual family. The bigger picture of because all we really know about her is that she's on the run. We don't know what she did, we don't know why, but we do learn that her dad is in the military.

SPEAKER_01 28:36

Even before the military thing, the fact that she could track wasn't too much of a surprise. Because people who want to run, you end up at the like the you know, picking up things.

SPEAKER_02 28:46

And Jack gave a lot of shit about that. Huh? Jack gave her a lot of shit about that. He was like, where did you learn how to track when you were on the run?

SPEAKER_01 28:55

I know, you gotta piss me off. Self-sacrimonious.

SPEAKER_02 28:58

And that's when she tells him no that she learned with her dad.

SPEAKER_01 29:03

He was a real dick though. He's been a real dick with her. And we'll see the next episode that he was on the show.

SPEAKER_02 29:08

The next episode that you haven't supposed to that you you weren't supposed to have watched.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

I skipped. Leave me alone. Um you wore me into the show, didn't you?

SPEAKER_02 29:18

I know. Well, you got it. Alright, but Jesus, just let's let's watch, record, watch, record. We could do this all day.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

Um he acts like like every time he brings it up, he acts like he just found out.

SPEAKER_02 29:34

He acts like she owes him something. She don't owe you shit.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

You owe you I owe you what you get, Mofo. Shit.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

He doesn't know her. They just they just met 16 days ago. Her history has nothing to do with him.

SPEAKER_01 29:49

Nothing to do with the here and now.

SPEAKER_02 29:51

Or that.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

Here, now, that, then who? Suck it up, cupcake, and move on. He's like his feelings are hurt.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:59

Big baby.

SPEAKER_02 30:01

I've watched the whole entire thing. I know whatever. But there's something about the rawness of that scene where I feel even if I watch it right now and I know he's gonna live, I'm still like, oh my god, is Charlie gonna die?

SPEAKER_01 30:20

So maybe I'm evil, because that didn't affect me that way. I was like, okay, that song will kill people off already, okay? It did it. I don't. There's some like where we talked about previous uh like shows about like that painful death of a character. This wasn't one for me. I like Charlie, but it didn't do it for me.

SPEAKER_02 30:41

I don't know if it if it did it for me in the sense of if he died. I think it was more so the emotion in the scene. The way it was the word like the the flip side? Like the way it juxta juxtaposed juxtaposed juxtaposed okay. Yes. The way that scene juxtaposed the scene with Jack in the ER, how he couldn't save that woman.

SPEAKER_01 31:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 31:08

And he just wouldn't give up. And Kate is crying, and she's emotional, and she just wants him to stop because she realizes that Charlie is laying there dead, and the longer Jack beats on him, the more drawn out it is for her. And Jack gives up, and you just have this moment where they're just sad, and then he just like nope, not giving up. And he just pounds on him, and it's like you think it's all for nothing. You just think that's it. Like he's just it's like when he beat the hell out of the coffin. It's just him and his frustration and the fact that he couldn't save him. But then Charlie comes back to life.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

Yeah, I didn't feel that. I mean, no, I understood all of that, and I was like, okay, yeah, I just was it didn't touch me. I'm going to hell. I know, I'm evil. It made for great TV, but I wasn't emotion I didn't feel I under I felt all you did, uh everything you said, but intellectually, I you know, it wasn't emotional for me at all. It was just like, okay. Interesting. Very interesting. If I had a mustache, I would have been twisting the sides of them.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

Okay. Okay. Nelinda, how did that scene make you feel? I almost cried. See I'm not quote. See, I'm not the only one. I'm not the only one feeling.

SPEAKER_04 32:43

Wait, are you telling me you didn't cry? Or feel an emotion?

SPEAKER_01 32:48

I felt no emotion. I'm a cold-hearted bitch.

SPEAKER_02 32:56

As we all just stand here and shrug our shoulders, I think we're all like sit whatever. No. Okay. You wanna read the trivia?

SPEAKER_01 33:06

Sure. She sounds so excited about it. She's thrilled.

SPEAKER_04 33:13

This episode marks the first time a character has a second episode, excluding the pilot, devoted to them. Jack also had flashbacks in the episode White Rabbit.

SPEAKER_01 33:24

Interesting. I kinda knew that was gonna come up when they start talking of, you know, I kinda knew that that was gonna be brought up.

SPEAKER_04 33:30

I thought it was gonna be a Sawyer episode just because like Cowboy. Yeah. Usually the name of the episode gives it away. What's the name of this title again? All the best cowboys have daddy issues.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

So are they are they saying that Jack is a cowboy? I you know, usually the title is a fingrative, not a literal, but like I don't see it.

SPEAKER_02 33:50

Usually the titles have a lot to do with the episode. And there's usually a double meaning, like the upfront meaning and then the hidden meaning.

SPEAKER_01 34:01

Right, I see that. But the last one. The last one.

SPEAKER_02 34:04

And clearly he has daddy issues, but I don't know what makes him a cowboy.

SPEAKER_01 34:09

Right, it's kind of a stretch. Like he's a cowboy and he's just gonna off-handled about going against his what his father said. Like he's I think what makes him a cowboy in this the in the figurative sense is that he he's gonna do what he thinks is right, regardless of what everyone else thinks, or in this case what his father may think. And I think maybe that's what it is, but it seems like a stretch.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 34:36

So I think this is a title fail.

SPEAKER_02 34:38

If you out there listening have thoughts on what the title means, send them in to us. Contact info in the show notes. Please help us.

SPEAKER_01 34:49

Right. We're in desperate need of some four of yours. Sober thoughts. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:56

Alright, read the next one.

SPEAKER_04 34:57

A trail of letters that were taped to Charlie's left hand is left as a clue that the search party uses to follow him.

SPEAKER_02 35:04

So I I read something online that when he changed fate to late, it was because Claire was pregnant, so she was late. I think that's stupid. I don't know if that's true. Um, you don't even need to respond.

SPEAKER_01 35:20

Like Yeah, that's like okay.

SPEAKER_02 35:27

With the mustache. Alright.

SPEAKER_04 35:30

When Jack is trying to revive Charlie, he hits him in the chest 23 times. After seeming to give up, he begins hitting Charlie again and hits him nine more times before Charlie regains his breath.

SPEAKER_01 35:41

Okay, so that trivia. Just one question regarding who wrote whoever put that trivia out there.

SPEAKER_05 35:47

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 35:48

Why? It seems like it just, you're like, okay, does 23 or 32 mean something? What's the point of the trivia?

SPEAKER_02 35:58

Okay, that that's for a later date. The rep like there's part of that that's for a later date.

SPEAKER_01 36:04

Another back burner, my stove's a getting full here. We'll get you listening to another stove.

SPEAKER_02 36:11

If you're listening out there and you have an extra stove, please send it to Agnes.

SPEAKER_01 36:15

You're killing me, Smalls.

SPEAKER_02 36:18

Last one.

SPEAKER_04 36:19

Jack and Christian's Hospital, Saint Sebastian, is featured for the first time. It would be a prominent off-island location. This episode is ready TV. T V. No, it's just there. That's probably the most interesting piece of studio. What the heck is the V supposed to stand for?

SPEAKER_02 36:38

Violence.

SPEAKER_01 36:38

Violence. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 36:40

Let's do characters. No, let's not do characters. Let's talk about characters. You know, I'll I'll get it eventually. We can go back to doing characters when it's a sawyer episode.

SPEAKER_01 36:52

We are not rated G. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:54

Alright, let's talk about characters. Let's talk about Jack. After seeing this episode and getting more information on his daddy issues, thoughts?

SPEAKER_01 37:06

Obviously, I think his father made him like belittled him and made him feel less than. And he's I think him being stuck in this island as the martyrdom leader of the island. I think he um I think he's lacking a little bit of muscle, especially when it comes to Kate. A little sex emotion, little bit of uh power chip going on there, but I don't think it's conscious. I think I think it's a subconscious power chip he's on.

SPEAKER_02 37:34

Speaking of Kate, we have a Kate episode next. Do we? I did not know this. We said it before. She's being sarcastic. Oh she's being a bitch.

SPEAKER_04 37:47

I wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't being sarcastic.

SPEAKER_01 37:51

Are you trying to say that gets shit? Because I do.

SPEAKER_02 37:56

She has her hood all the way over her face like Kenny from South Park, and she wonders why she's- Oh my god!

SPEAKER_01 38:02

Who killed Kenny?

SPEAKER_02 38:04

Me.

SPEAKER_01 38:04

I am Kenny.

SPEAKER_02 38:06

Let's talk about Kate.

SPEAKER_01 38:07

Let's talk about sex, baby. Let's talk about you and me.

SPEAKER_02 38:11

Let's talk about all the good things and the bad things that maybe.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

This child right here is mouthing the words. I'm so proud of you.

SPEAKER_02 38:21

You're proud of me, right? Because without me, she wouldn't know.

SPEAKER_01 38:24

And it's funny, I was in the car with my daughter. Oh my gosh, it must have been like four years ago. And a Run DMC song comes on, and I'm singing the hook, and then all of a sudden at the left field, my kid comes in with like the verse. I was like, that's my kid. I am so proud of her. That was a mother-daughter moment.

SPEAKER_02 38:45

She wants to know which song, and you're ignoring her.

SPEAKER_01 38:48

Oh, what song was it? Wait, what song was it? It was. Oh my god, it's on the tip of my tongue. I can't, you know, you you that was the one she was.

SPEAKER_02 39:02

She's hoping that it's tricky.

SPEAKER_01 39:04

It's tricky, yes. That's it.

unknown 39:06

That's what it was.

SPEAKER_01 39:07

It was tricky. Because it's like on the tip of my brain. I couldn't get it out. It was tricky. Oh wrap, that's right. So yes, I was kind of proud of that moment. I feel like I did that was like I was like mothering s like life goals right there. Like I did the damn thing.

SPEAKER_02 39:21

Huh? She's singing it right now.

SPEAKER_01 39:24

So proud of you. Lisa, you're doing a good job as the mom.

SPEAKER_04 39:27

No, that wasn't her.

SPEAKER_01 39:28

That was me.

SPEAKER_04 39:29

Okay. That one was me. The other one was her.

SPEAKER_02 39:35

Okie dokie.

SPEAKER_01 39:36

And another moment. I'm sorry. Another like old school moment. What was I listened to? I Swear by Awful One. And my daughter goes, that's a really pretty song. She goes, Are they still alive? I just looked at her like, get out. Just get out of the car. Walk home. Back to Kate. I'm sorry. Jack. We can't get it together.

SPEAKER_02 40:03

Jack. Kate. We're up to Jack. Jack. We did Jack already. We did Jack already. Talk about Kate. What? You want to talk about Jack? Yeah. Alright, so talk about Jack.

SPEAKER_04 40:12

Jack's stubborn.

SPEAKER_03 40:14

Isn't he though?

SPEAKER_04 40:15

And he's me and he's rude to Kate. And he's a man baby. Later. I'm not gonna talk about later, but in in later episodes. Your face. It just adds more and more to why I don't like Jack. See, I'm the only one.

SPEAKER_02 40:34

Like why he's quite logical, I don't like him. No, there's just there is something about Jack that just you the wrong way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:44

It just Like I do to a lot of people, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_02 40:47

Okay, now I'm gonna go. Thank you. Who wants to go first?

SPEAKER_01 40:51

I nominate Linda goes first.

unknown 40:54

Dang it.

SPEAKER_01 40:57

Uh I'm neutral about her. I don't really care. Okay. I'm not the only one that's really neutral about these people. I see, you make me feel like I was anti-lost. No, I wasn't anti-lost. The characters are hard to really become invested in. And Kate, she's interesting enough. We're chill, we're cool. When do we hear about the Hurley story?

SPEAKER_02 41:25

We're not gonna get to his until one like seven more. Stay tuned next week when we will be discussing hard no.

SPEAKER_03 41:39

No. Oh. Try again.

SPEAKER_02 41:42

Whatever the case may be. That one.

SPEAKER_03 41:44

Thanks, November.

SPEAKER_04 41:49

Listen, we were just talking about it. Still the only one who knows what they're doing. Yeah, thanks for that. Only because you're the sober one.

unknown 42:02

But I Yes.

SPEAKER_02 42:06

That's why. Okay. So next week, whatever the case may be, we talk about Kate. If you'd like to support this show.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

Which you do.

SPEAKER_02 42:18

Yes, please do. We can be found at patreon.com slash SASPOD. And any donation is appreciated and helpful. If you'd like to connect with us, you can find us on social media. You could also email us or you can call us. If you send us a really nice message, we can play it or read it on air. Shout out. Thank you so much for listening. Don't forget to rate, review, and subscribe. That will also help people find our show. And please don't forget to drink responsibly. Thank you to our special guest, Nelinda. Hi. Yay! Until next time, stay hydrated. That was my line. Okay, until next time. Stay hydrated, my friends. I'm Lisa. And I'm Agnes. And we out of here. Peace.

SPEAKER_01 43:27

Did you enjoy hanging out with us? Me? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:32

With one of you. Definitely you.

SPEAKER_01 43:41

And if my kid was here, she'd be like, uh, actually no, my kid would not be here because I am so not cool enough for her. I think I'm fucking awesome, but that's just me.

SPEAKER_02 43:57

She's singing the Skype song.

SPEAKER_01 44:03

I'm gonna be taco. I'm gonna get taco drunk tomorrow. Tacos are good for every day of the week and twice on Tuesdays.

SPEAKER_04 44:17

They taste better on Tuesdays.

SPEAKER_01 44:20

Tacos are the bomb diggity every day, all day. Is that gizmo? Yeah, jingling. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:28

Jingling, baby.

SPEAKER_01 44:30

Go ahead, baby. There's somewhere out there that there's an entire aged group or generation that finds me funny. I don't know who they are.

SPEAKER_02 44:43

No, it's right here.

SPEAKER_01 44:46

You hear that? Every time you said zasquat, I feel like it was a saxquad.