LOST Deus Ex Machina

SPEAKER_08 0:00

Look, I don't mean to be rude. What do you want from me?

SPEAKER_09 0:06

I want to tell you that you're special. Very special. You're part of a design. You do realize that, don't you? That our meeting, me finding you. This is a sign of things to come. Great things.

SPEAKER_08 0:31

My father. Is he still alive?

SPEAKER_09 0:37

Still alive? Oh, John, don't you understand? You don't have a father. You are immaculately conceived.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Hi there, and welcome to this episode of Sassin Sips, where every week we will be discussing and dissecting an episode of Lost in Order. This week's episode is Deus Ex Machina. We are your hosts. I'm Lisa.

SPEAKER_07 1:24

I'm Agnes. Are you sure? Because sometimes we get confused. I thought it'd be going to be one of those moments.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

Yeah, I think I think um cabin fever hasn't set in yet, and I still know who I am.

SPEAKER_07 1:39

Well, you know, I live in cabin fever, so this is my Olympics. I'm ready. I've been training for this.

SPEAKER_01 1:48

So in an attempt to be transparent, um we somebody just banged on the door.

SPEAKER_07 2:00

You can't get any privacy. You were like literally hiding in the closet. Damn, you can't go nowhere. I know.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

In February, I went away for a while, and then in m in March, I attended Podfest in Florida. And so before those things kind of came into play, Agnes and I were really trying to um bump out a lot of episodes because we didn't know how our schedules were gonna be, and we we just didn't want to fall behind with putting them out. So it's it's late March as we're recording this, and everyone is in quarantine.

SPEAKER_07 2:44

So I um listen, all you non-disabled normies out there, like you guys are losing your minds over the quarantine, and us disabled people like uh this is just a Tuesday for us. Like, like, okay, keep it up. We're built for this. I'm kinda laughing at you and um and Angie, just a tad bit. Like not you, mostly just Angie losing your mind. Like, this shit has to end soon.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

Um, she's like that big ass house with all that land. She could go hiking for days in her backyard, okay? I'm cooped up in a house with like my three kids.

SPEAKER_07 3:31

To be fair, and then she's also she's also dealing with the board of Ed and their um last minute getting the shit together, so that she's just like anyway.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

Yeah, um, I don't work for the DOE, but I do work in a in a public school, in a DOE public school. So we were only required to go into our office on Tuesday, and it was weird. It was like all of a sudden it's like take what you need and get out.

SPEAKER_07 4:06

And it was yeah, because Anjali said when she left her classroom, it was just an eerie feeling, like not even the last day of school feeling, it was like I might not come back. Like it's I can imagine that fear, and it kind of gets my like it's it is just straight, like so strange.

SPEAKER_01 4:22

And um, like I have a coffee, my neighbor gave me a curate machine, um, and I brought it to work. And so my boss is really cool. She like one day I came in and she set it up for me, like in the corner by my desk. It's so cute. Like, I don't I just have to like push my chair back six inches to make a cup of coffee. It's great. You're awesome.

SPEAKER_07 4:45

That's but you know, that's she's keeping her employees productive.

SPEAKER_01 4:48

I I've told her this out of all the places that I've worked. She is up there as one of the best bosses that I've had, if not the best. Like the way that she does care about her employees, she doesn't make anything a big deal, and you know, when we fuck up, it's just it's it's always like a teachable moment, and we get through it. Like there's never anything that that rattles L's into lessons. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 5:14

Yeah, we're that age where we quote rap songs.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

So, so the other um our you know, the other guy in my office is like, you're not gonna take your coffee machine, and I'm like, No, and he's like, But you don't know when you're gonna be back. I'm like, No, I don't have room for it at home. Like, and I'm just like in my thinking about like shit. I took the snacks out of my drawer.

SPEAKER_07 5:39

Did you get the Pringles?

SPEAKER_01 5:41

I didn't, and he and he told me too. He's like, Lisa, you have a case of Pringles, you don't know what you might be eating. If that's the last food on earth, that case of Pringles, I think I might just be okay without it. Like, it'll still be there. The expiration date is December of 2030. Probably. But it it was a very, very strange feeling.

SPEAKER_07 6:07

I would have taken everything.

SPEAKER_01 6:09

There was no way I was taking everything. I would have where the hell was I gonna put it?

SPEAKER_07 6:14

Should I should store it in your car?

SPEAKER_01 6:17

I'm already storing my husband's shit in my car.

SPEAKER_07 6:20

You can store your husband in the car too. Like so I have because you know, I feel like I gotta be special, and this is like a this is just not my everyday. This is like a quarantine now. So I take my shower in the morning and put on clean pajamas. I change out the old pajamas and change the clean pajamas. I actually gotta do laundry now because I'm running out of pajamas. That's what I wear all day, every day, anyway. So, you know, I gotta choose, I gotta buy, I gotta clean my pajamas. So this episode of Sassin Sips, well, we're sipping in Sassin.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

Yes. Well, anyway, the the the point was that um right. This episode, I know, I'm sorry. We really got off the topic. So it's it's just to say that even though this episode might not be coming out for a couple of weeks, um, it's probably April by the time you're hearing it. And we're just hope you you know, all got through it and and everyone is okay and just laugh at ourselves. Let's just hope that that's what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_07 7:30

Yeah. I just keep thinking of like the stand and then that TV show revolution. Oh no, like like the apocalypse post-apocalyptic shit, like the stand and what was the other revolution. Did you ever see that show on K1 channel on NBC? It's like you know, I see thinking of like, oh, oh, oh.

SPEAKER_06 7:52

I don't know if I can survive this shit. Like I don't have enough bullets.

SPEAKER_07 7:57

I don't have to turn plans down. I don't have to find a way to get out of plans I don't want to be in. So that's the plus for me. Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 8:07

Always looking at the bright side.

SPEAKER_03 8:09

You know me, Pollyanna and shit.

SPEAKER_01 8:12

So, what are you drinking today?

SPEAKER_07 8:16

Um, I I feel like it's too early, but I'm totally drinking my Stella.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

It's not too early. I have okay, I have coffee, but I have um Patron Cafe in it.

SPEAKER_07 8:32

Oh, I love you. You're speaking my Patron language.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

This is the first time I've had it. Is it? Yeah, a friend of mine gave it to me, uh give me a little bottle for Christmas, and it's been I literally unwrapped it this morning to try it because I'm like, fuck it, I ain't going nowhere. I might as well start early.

SPEAKER_07 8:52

Angie, um, before we like before kids and responsibilities and you know financial burdens, um, of being an adult.

SPEAKER_01 9:00

Um, I I I'm sorry, correct me if I'm wrong, but you weren't of the legal age to drink before children. But go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 9:06

Well, before she had children, okay? Okay. Shut up. Um actually by the time I had CD, I was I was legal age to drink. By the time I had her. So, but um, before she had no, you weren't. Not in this country. Well, a few months later, I turned 21. Shut it up. I turned like I mean, we want to be technical. Um yes, and I'm 22 now, for all those who want to know. Um she was for my birthday, she would give me like Patron, the cafe, the XOXO, the dark chocolate, cocoa. Um, I love silver, but the that's the only one that I've had before this was the silver. The cat the cafe, I would cook with it. With desserts. Like I would like, oh girl, it makes the best tam. Both the exo and the dark chocolate makes the best tamis soup. Or I would toast pound cake and some butter and pour some of the patron over it. Okay, now that I'm in too. Or you can oh, or throw it in and whip it up, throw it in some heavy cream and make it whip. Girl, yes, so the patron grape desserts. Awesome. But I didn't drink tequila. I didn't drink tequila until Angelique introduced me because brown or gold liquor would make me sick. All right, tangents over the moment episode activated. We did like do like a power rings or something, like you know.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

Alright. Alright, in flashback, years before the crash, Locke works in a discount superstore. He demonstrates the children's game Mousetrap to a boy, saying it was his favorite game he and his brother used to play. A mysterious older woman appears to be watching him in the store. Does my voice sound funny to you? Yes. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 11:13

I was listening to the last episode back, and I I just thought because like you're in the room and like the acoustics were different. Like you sound different today than you did yesterday, than you did last week. Oh, but better or worse? Different. Alright, Ross. That's like Ross was just an ass. Like he was such a subtitled. Anyway, um, you're a little bit more um not robotic, but just that's what I'm looking for.

SPEAKER_01 11:49

Is it like nasally?

SPEAKER_07 11:51

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 11:52

That's how it sounded the last time, and I'm like, oh, that sounds horrible. Like I I couldn't hardly listen to myself.

SPEAKER_07 12:03

Well, you know how I feel. I refuse to listen to myself like at all. Is that better?

SPEAKER_01 12:09

Yeah, but usually um my voice hasn't bothered me too much until I got up to the last couple episodes.

SPEAKER_07 12:19

Allergies?

SPEAKER_01 12:20

I d I guess.

SPEAKER_07 12:21

I don't know. I think it also now like the acoustics in the room are different, so you sound like you're in a box, which kind of sort of off. You sound like what you're in. Okay, wait a minute. You'll hear it.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

Unfortunately. Alright. Okay. Later, Locke sees her in the parking lot again, watching him. He starts to chase her and is knocked over by a car. Unhurt, he resumes the chase and confronts her. At which point she reveals she is his birth mother, Emily Locke. Later, at lunch with her, John inquires about his natural father, but she tells him he has no father and he was immaculately conceived.

SPEAKER_07 13:10

Okay, so this part irked me. Why? Because it's erroneous reference to the Bible. The immaculate conception was not the virgin birth, it was uh Mary's immaculate conception without sin that allowed her to have the virgin birth.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

So the well, you know a lot about the Bible for a heathen.

SPEAKER_07 13:31

I gotta know what I'm rebelling against. So, yeah, that part I was like, the virgin birth is not the macros exception. Two different things. Okay, I'm done.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

Locke hires a private investigator to find information on his father and mother. The investigator tells him his mother had been admitted several times in the past due to schizophrenia. When Locke asks about his father, Franny is hesitant. It's the fucking cat on the other side of the door. I just realized. A little man. No, there's not enough room in here.

SPEAKER_03 14:13

It's fuck it's a cat! No, I can't hold the fucking- was my face that could be that compelling? Yeah? Yeah. Mom, you're in the closet? Yeah. I can't even single. Come on. Come on. Come on. You wanna come in so bad? Come on. No, but it's there she goes, he she There he goes. I see your little head.

SPEAKER_07 14:50

Where'd you go? Alright, go on. No, he doesn't he doesn't want the door closed. Typical cat.

SPEAKER_03 14:55

Get the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_01 14:59

Okay. Like what what like if it's a cat, they would talk already, and I realize it's a cat. Oh sorry. When Locke asks about his father, Franey is hesitant. He tells Locke that situations like his of children finding their parents rarely turn out well, and gives Locke a chance to back out. Locke says he wants to meet his father, and the private investigator gives him the information, including the address of his father, Anthony Cooper. Locke goes to his father's home, where Cooper eagerly welcomes him. Cooper says he did not know he had a son because Emily told him she was not going to have the baby. Cooper claims to have found out about Locke a year later when Emily asks him for more money.

SPEAKER_08 16:17

This is awkward. Thank you for seeing me, sir. Um something tells me I'm gonna want a drink for this. You want a drink? Yeah, all right, great. Yeah, that's thank you. So who found you? I'm sorry, sir. Emily. Your mother. Did she find you or did you find her? Did she find me? All right, I guess. Did she say anything about me? She said I didn't have a father. Really? Well, I guess that makes me gone, huh? I didn't even know you existed until a year after you were born. She told me she wasn't even gonna have the baby, you at all. She drops off the face of the planet. When she turns up again, she's asking me for money. Telling me she put you up for adoption.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

Cooper takes him hunting birds several times, where they quickly bond. Arriving early for an outing one day, Loxy's father is using a dialysis machine.

SPEAKER_07 17:36

This is the point where my heart sank. Why? Because I knew. He goes, then you said he goes, I thought you'd be here at 12. No, you said 11. I'm like, he was bam bamboozled. Like I knew right then there. I was like, oh man, son of a bitch. I was hurting for him. It's funny how I gotta raise my hands.

SPEAKER_01 17:59

Cooper says his kidneys are failing and is pessimistic about his chances on the donor list. Locke, however, volunteers to give his father one of his kidneys. Just before the operation, Locke says the transplant is meant to be, and the two hold hands in preparation. After the transplant, Locke wakes up in the hospital to find his father has gone. His mother comes to check on him and says his father conned Locke into giving one of his kidneys. Locke, anguished, leaves the hospital and drives to his father's home where he is not admitted by security. Locke drives away from the residence, angered and betrayed, and screams in agony.

SPEAKER_07 18:43

My heart was breaking for him.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

Your face looks like you're about to cry.

SPEAKER_07 18:47

I was hurting for him. Piece of shit. Like it's one thing to be bamboozled by a stranger, but be to be bamboozled by your fucking parent. It's um gut-wrenching, and I probably would have shot him. Well, I mean, you know.

SPEAKER_00 19:16

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SPEAKER_01 20:09

Alright, we're going back to the island now. At the beach, Sawyer is increasingly.

SPEAKER_07 20:17

Lee Shit is the end of jungle because every time you say it's coming.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

It's coming.

SPEAKER_06 20:25

That's what he said. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 20:36

Alright, on the island. At the beach, Sawyer is having increasingly painful headaches, which are not helped by Sun's herbal remedies or aspirin. Kate goes to Jack to ask for his advice, but he claims he will get nothing out of helping Sawyer except for a snappy one-liner and, if I'm really lucky, a new nickname. Eventually, however, Kate convinces Jack to help and Sawyer to accept his help. Before seeing Sawyer, Jack talks to Michael, who says the burning of the raft was not a total loss because it saved him from trial and error. Michael tries without much success to communicate with Jin, who is also working on the raft. Did you see them working together?

SPEAKER_07 21:24

Yeah, and it's kind of like that. They had that thing, like they had like a old married couple vibe going on. Like I was like, I caught that. I was um yeah, I caught that that the interaction between the two. I was like, oh, that's kind of funny.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

Yeah. And they're they're actually through all their history and they're fighting and trying to kill each other, and now look, they're working together well.

SPEAKER_05 21:49

Regrudgingly, yeah. They're like, yeah, yeah, it's it's funny.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

And Michael's like, uh Jack, Jack says, Oh, so you're picking up Korean? He's like, Yeah, I think I know how to say idiot.

SPEAKER_06 22:03

Um like there's a lot, but okay. That's not that's a whole nother podcast.

SPEAKER_01 22:22

Coming soon. What's wrong with Agnes?

SPEAKER_03 22:29

Day one I was fucked on it Okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:45

All right. After a brief examination, Jack asks Sawyer a series of embarrassing questions regarding his sexual past, such as his experiences with prostitutes, if he has ever con contracted an STD. Wait, if he has ever contracted an STD, and when his last outbreak was. After needling Sawyer, Jack tells Sawyer he has hyperopia or faresightedness. And Said melts together the halves of two pairs of glasses for him to wear. You don't like Jack. But how did you feel about Jack fucking with Sawyer?

SPEAKER_07 23:30

I thought it was the funniest shit ever. It was funny. It was funny. And I think Sawyer will kinda he I think on some level Sawyer appreciated the irony of the situation. So a little bit of Sawyer back at him. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 23:45

Do you think that I I felt like some of it was him also trying to I mean he was definitely trying to fuck with him, you know, to get back at him. But I also felt like it was him trying to to bring him down and let Kate see, like, look, like he's gotten an STD, he's he's been with prostitutes, like to try to agree.

SPEAKER_07 24:11

Yeah, it was it was uh it was like a it was a it was like a a dick showing contest in a way. They're like I'm the better man, absolutely. Um yeah Jack, we'll see.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

We'll see who's the better man.

SPEAKER_07 24:24

I still like soya better than like Jack. Jack is this yeah, I don't like Jack. No, at all. He annoys the fuck out of me.

SPEAKER_01 24:33

And Hurley is like, you steamroll Harry Potter. I know, I was like, oh boy. Now Sawyer's bad because Jack is fucking with him, Hurley is fucking with him, Sawyer's getting it back.

SPEAKER_07 24:49

If anyone can handle it, it's it's Sawyer, damn it. And I think that's and the funny thing is, I think that's gonna make him that much more endearing to Kate. I think you know, if that was to try to like to dig into Sawyer to get Kate, I think that's just gonna have the opposite effect. It usually does. Yeah. I also think Sawyer's a better guy. He's like I mean, considering the traumas he's been through, I think he is not as fucked up as he could have been.

SPEAKER_01 25:23

But I think that that's something like in real life that men don't realize. You know, when they start to get insecure or something, and they start like needling other things and tearing tearing other shit down, it only makes them look less attractive or it's like I think we all do that.

SPEAKER_07 25:48

Women do it too. Oh yeah a lot. I don't know a lot.

SPEAKER_01 25:52

Absolutely, and and it and it's the same thing, you know what I mean? Like if I don't know, like if if somebody is trying to tell me something like about what any anything, it doesn't even have to be in a relationship, and you you're just like whining about something and like being an asshole because you didn't get your way, it's not gonna make me want to give you your way. It's gonna make me want to be like, go fuck yourself and and I'm gonna walk away from you. If you need something from me, you know, and I think that this is a lot of us like when we need something, we just don't have the words to say how we feel, and we turn into Sawyer and we start pushing people away on purpose instead of just saying what we need, but then it has the opposite effect, right?

SPEAKER_07 26:48

Because I I don't want to be people don't want to be rejected. Rejection is I think the fear of rejection rather is probably the root of most issues, if not all. I would have to agree with you. I gotta, you know, and I sit there, and there's times where I just and I I look back on what I do on a daily basis or what I do when I'm in certain situations, and it's all because of the fear of rejection. And that's just you know, that's just human nature. I don't care who you are or how you how much you say you don't give a fuck. I think that's I think uh yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

Alright. In the jungle, Locke and Boon.

SPEAKER_06 27:42

Oh, we my way, oh, we my way, oh we my way. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

In the jungle, Loc and Boone continue working on opening the hatch. Boone points out that they have been going to the hatch for two weeks with no progress.

SPEAKER_07 27:58

Okay. Breaking the glass is never a good idea. I don't care.

SPEAKER_06 28:05

And most of these like suspense movies and all these shows, breaking the glass is never a good idea.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

What?

SPEAKER_07 28:13

It always leads to something. The proverbial Pandora's box.

SPEAKER_01 28:17

Well, wouldn't that just be opening it in general?

SPEAKER_07 28:20

That's what I said, breaking the glass is never a good idea.

SPEAKER_03 28:23

All right, so don't confuse me. Oh no, no, I I didn't mean to confuse it. I was confused. It don't take much to confuse me, Lisa. It's a very simple process.

SPEAKER_01 28:32

Okay, so I do have a point about that. Remind me when we done when we're done with the synopsis to go back to the whole opening Pandora's box idea. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 28:45

Ask the woman with holes in her brain to remind you. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

Boone points out that Locke never talks about himself, and Locke replies that his past would bore him. They attempt to break the glass on the metal door using a trebuchet they have built. I love that. With the fucking fancy words. Alright. But the attempt fails, and the trebuchet is destroyed. Locke, angry it didn't work, is unaware that a broken shot of metal from the trebuchet has lodged itself in one of his legs until Boone points it out to him. At this, he discovers he has no feeling in his legs.

SPEAKER_07 29:24

That was when I saw having heart palpations. I'm like, no!

SPEAKER_01 29:30

Later that night, he confirms this by burning his feet with hot coals. The next day, Locke determines the trebuchet was not how they were meant to break open the hatch. When Boone asks how they are going to break open the hatch, Locke tells him the island will send them a sign.

SPEAKER_07 29:48

So even Locke knows that island is creepy as fuck. Like it's like he knows. But he has a obviously because you know, because his whole leg thing, he knows on a different level how creepy as fuck the island is. First hand knowledge.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

A few days later, Boone arrives late at their work site only to complain about their inability to open the hatch. Locke reasserts the island will send them a sign, and when Boone questions his statement, they both see a small aircraft crashing into the jungle. However, Locke notices Boone is suddenly covered in blood at the side of this plane, and he begins to repeat the phrase Teresa falls up the stairs. Teresa falls down the stairs.

SPEAKER_07 30:34

That's me with my MS. I fall upstairs, I fall downstairs. I fall when I'm just standing still. Who needs to spend money getting drunk? I'm good.

SPEAKER_01 30:53

Locke sees an image of his mother pointing in the direction of the plane and finds himself in a wheelchair again. Locke wakes up in shock, realizing it was a dream. The next morning, he wakes Boone up early, leading him off without an explanation. Later that day, Locke describes the vision he had, claiming it felt real. He tells Boone he knows where to go now and what they'll find will allow them to open the hatch. Boone suspects Loc has taken the hallucinogen he gave Boone, the wacky paste, as he calls it.

SPEAKER_07 31:28

I can go for some wacky paste, what about now?

SPEAKER_01 31:31

Loc, however, asks Boone who Teresa is, and Boone, startled, doesn't understand how Locke could have known about her. Locke says he himself doesn't know. Before they can continue, however, Loc suddenly falls, alarming Boone. Loc insists he is fine, but Boone feels to the contrary. Suddenly they find a rosary hanging on a tree. Boone theorizes someone from camp hiked all the way to where they are, but Locke pulls on a vine of the same tree, which causes a dead body to fall from the tree. Locke insists they have to locate the plane he saw. Boone and Locke investigate the corpse, which is wearing a priest's clothes with a large amount of Nigerian currency and a gold tooth. Locke says it's probably been on the island for two to ten years from the decay. Boone wonders why a Nigerian priest would be on an island in the South Pacific, but when Locke finds a gun on him, it becomes clear this is not a priest at all. So now we got another gun though.

SPEAKER_07 32:38

Right. Can't hurt.

SPEAKER_01 32:42

While trekking, Boone notices John's left leg, which is not the leg pierced by a metal shard, is so disabled he can barely support himself with it. Suddenly, Locke completely falls to the ground. He refuses to go to Jack, claiming Jack wouldn't understand his condition. No, why would a spinal surgeon understand why you can't feel your legs?

SPEAKER_07 33:06

Um I think um No. I don't think you understand like why it wasn't working and then it was working and then not working. I don't think I think that part he wouldn't understand. Okay, but but realistically speaking, if any person would understand, it would be a it would be a it would be a a neurosurgeon, yeah. It would be spinal neuro but well nerves neurosurgeon would still work with a spinal down the spinal hello Derek and Amelia Shepard Okay, I know who Derek is.

SPEAKER_01 33:56

I don't know who oh their last name is Shepard.

SPEAKER_07 34:01

Yeah Jack Shepherd Oh another okay I didn't I didn't realize Jack's last name. Amelia's his sister. Remember we went over this last time. Well the time before that. We haven't talked about Jack's last name and forever. No, yeah, and forever? Okay. Yeah. You know, you know what it is. You just listen to you're just you're just editing now, so I think it's fresh in your mind.

SPEAKER_01 34:31

Okay, yeah, probably. You don't sound too convinced. No, no, no, you're probably right. And I'm just the days are all bleeding into one.

SPEAKER_07 34:42

Right.

SPEAKER_01 34:43

Boone asks Locke if he's crazy. Driving Locke to tell Boone he was in a wheelchair for four years before the crash. When asked about how he got into a wheelchair, Locke says it doesn't matter anymore. As the island has healed him. Now, however, the island is trying to take it back, but it wants Locke to follow what he saw. He says he believes whatever is in the plane will help them get into the hatch. Boone understands, and Locke asks him to help him up. While they are resting, Boone reveals that Teresa was his nanny when he was a kid. Every day he would call her to his room over and over again, which was up a large flight of stairs. One day, however, she fell down the stairs and broke her neck. Isn't that how Locke's sister died? And she fell off the monkey bars and broke her neck.

SPEAKER_07 35:34

But they don't tell you in the synopsis, like in the show, he actually says, you know, my mother wasn't there. She so I think I was just being I was seeking attention, so I was being a brat or calling her up and down the stairs. And that's why she tripped. You know, I'll go back and forth. I said, Oh, so my first thought was, Oh, so you've always been small-minded and petty. Good to know. That's just a character trait. Got you. Keep that in mind. Don't like Boone. It's a lot of people I don't like. It's so funny.

SPEAKER_01 36:09

Locke starts to laugh at this, much to Boone's anger, but Locke points past Boone, at which Boone turns around. Behind him, he sees the plane from Locke's dream stuck on top of a cliff. Locke can't even walk at this point, so he tells Boone he has to go up to the plane and find what is inside. Boone climbs into the plane and discovers the plane contains Virgin Mary statues filled with heroin. He throws one of the statues down to Locke to prove to him the plane meant nothing. Boone does, however, find a radio which is still operational. He subsequently uses it to make contact with another unidentified person. Boone calls for help and says they are survivors of the oceanic flight eight fifteen. After a brief pause, the other person responds saying, We're survivors of flight eight fifteen.

SPEAKER_07 37:37

Yeah, I didn't I just thought it was me. I'm like, I don't get what they're saying. Then was it like it kind of to me sounded like it was like repeating like it was like an echo of what he was saying?

SPEAKER_01 37:47

It sounds like, and I think if you if you have the um the closed captioning on, I think it says there were no survivors. I don't remember, honestly. Um but it sounded like they said there were no survivors. But anyway, um we'll actually get more on that later.

SPEAKER_07 38:06

Oh yeah. Intrigue.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

Yeah, so just a little tidbit there for you. Oh, just before Boon can be baby. Yeah. Before Boone can respond, the plane falls off the cliff. Its weight shifted by Boone and crashes to the ground. Locke rushes over, barely able to walk, and hoists a badly injured Boone on his shoulders and returns to the camp.

SPEAKER_07 38:29

And that part is not lost on me. Dude was losing his legs, he was losing the ability to walk again, and then Boone is in is injured, and also he can hoist him and carry him back to camp. I have a theory on this. I went to the end of the synopsis. Oh I went to the end of the synopsis.

SPEAKER_01 38:46

I've got like four more lines. Okay. Locke makes his way back to the caves with the badly injured Boone, claiming Boone fell from a cliff while they were hunting. Jack springs into action, but Locke disappears into the jungle before he can explain what happened to Jack. Returning to the hatch, Locke yells and screams in anguish, feeling betrayed by the island. As he bangs his hands on the door, a light comes on inside the structure, turning Locke's pain into awe. The end.

SPEAKER_07 39:15

She's looking at me like, no, go. So if you're a professional TV watcher, like I am, you know that and everything, okay, religion and the universe and TV and everything, there needs to be balance. Something gets taken away and is given. It's there needs to be balanced. So I feel that the island's like, okay, hey dude, you you can walk now. But I feel like they had to take something from Boone or somebody at this time. I think they took Boone. I think they'll take his ability to walk or something, and to keep his ability to walk. Like, once he was injured, also he could carry the dude to fucking camp and run back to the hatch. So that was the Allen balancing out what they gave um Locke. You look at me like I'm fucking crazy. No.

SPEAKER_01 40:07

I'm gonna ask you a question. Have you watched past this episode? No. Only because something that you're saying right now sounds like something somebody else is gonna say.

SPEAKER_07 40:20

Really? Yes. That's how cool I am. What can I say? But if you look through like everything, what you're spiritual, religious, just something, it's it everything must be balanced. I I I agree. So I think this is yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Because he's also he's running as soon as the plane crashes. Come on.

SPEAKER_01 40:45

Maybe it's just that her killer her that mom strength. Like the mom just busts off of babies. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 40:55

The adrenal was popping, but yeah, but adrenaline doesn't it doesn't, yeah. I mean okay, first of all, you just also you don't all sudden be able to walk and get out of after a plane crash. That's one. But adrenaline doesn't actually allow you to walk again after you lose your ability to walk either. I think this is this island is creepy as fuck. And I like it. So I'm like, I'm now at like 94%, 94 degrees. I'm moving. I I feel like that's a step down. Weren't you at like 95? Okay, so I'm 95 and a half now. I don't know. I thought I was at 93 before. 96. I give you 96. Fine. I'm a listen, I am a tough cookie to crack, damn it.

SPEAKER_03 41:48

Okay. Alright. Get off your phone.

SPEAKER_01 41:57

I was laughing at you. Oh. And us. Okay, so let's talk about some of the things that we saw in the episode. I found it funny how Locke is always like, Well, don't tell me what I can't do. Yes! But he's waiting for the island to tell him what to do. What to do?

SPEAKER_07 42:17

Diaries not lost on it. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 42:20

We find out that he was never adopted, but in fact raised in several foster homes. And he mentions having a brother.

SPEAKER_07 42:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:31

His mother's name is Emily, and she's schizophrenic.

SPEAKER_07 42:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 42:36

Sawyer is far-sighted and needs glasses, which I think is supposed to explain why he missed the marshal's heart. As in the e the show's way of justifying it, because he can't see.

SPEAKER_07 42:52

Does it really need to justify it, or is it just something that's just happens to justify it? What do you think? You know how something just happened, something it's just a coincidence, or was it intentional? Because I never would have thought about it until you said it. I don't know. I think it's just something needs to happen. It's just something like eventually things need to, you know, I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 43:18

Maybe we'll never know. But I feel like it was intentional.

SPEAKER_07 43:21

I really want to talk to the writers and ask them how much of the shit that we think is intentional is actually just like, oh shit, that worked. Oh, how funny. Like, I wouldn't say, Oh shit. And they're like, Yes, that's exactly what we meant to do. You know, so I'm gonna ask them. Same way Terry O'Quinn is gonna be a guest speaker of the show. The wig was so horrible, it was great, like it was so bad, it was awesome. I loved it.

SPEAKER_01 43:52

When when the episode opens, we see him, uh younger version of himself, and he's playing Mousetrap. And I think the game Mousetrap is supposed to be like an analogy for this whole episode.

SPEAKER_07 44:08

Oh, I yeah, I think it's an analogy for the whole fucking series, but okay, but yeah, it does, it fits.

SPEAKER_01 44:15

It fits both in the flashbacks and in the on island stuff. Yes, he's playing Boone the same way. His father played him. Playing him. Would you think he's playing Boone? I don't think he knows that's what it happened. I don't know if it was on. I don't know. I don't think that he he meant for Boone to fall or get hurt or anything like that. But I think that whether he realizes it or not, he's playing Boone because Boone was ready to like Boo Boone is it seems like Boone has been losing interest. Boone's getting like kind of bored with this already. Right. And now he's like, no, we have to keep going. He he wants Boone to keep going. He needs Boon and he's like, come on, son. You know, and he's manipulating him. He's manipulating him in order like, and now especially that his legs are not working again. He needs Boone to do the climbing and but he didn't know his legs were gonna broke until you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 45:18

Until they you know, that was kind of like oh shit, they're not working. But I think part of it was I want I think it was really like I want him with me in general, period. It was you know, like you they have a relationship. So she so like I want him there, I want him to be with me. And I think it that's that I like to call it um what's the word I'm looking for? Kind of like uh what's the word I'm looking for? I had a brain fart. My brain shut down. It's just like it's manipulation, but it's kind of like I'm doing because I need companionship. I'm not manipulating you for malicious reasons. I'm you know you know what I mean? Okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I get it. Yeah, that's kind of sort of thank you. Because my brain just went. I had a brain fart moment. The thought fell through one of the holes in my brain.

SPEAKER_01 46:20

At the end of the episode, the there's a light that comes on. Yes.

SPEAKER_07 46:29

And you want to have your Pandora box thing?

SPEAKER_01 46:32

No, not yet, not yet.

SPEAKER_07 46:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 46:34

But what did you think seeing that?

SPEAKER_07 46:36

As expected, it's eerie as fuck, yeah. So like I know it's like light comes on, and oh yeah, there's sometimes you know, then the face black, like and thoughts on thoughts on on Locke's vision of like the plane and Boone being hurt.

SPEAKER_01 46:55

What do you make of that?

SPEAKER_07 46:56

I'm not surprised because since the beginning, Locke has this weird connection to the island. There's always been something wonky there, so I'm not surprised. I think the island's giving him visions. Or it's something as simple as things that were said and done that were ignored. Like people say things and you don't even realize you don't like you're mentioned something and don't realize you're mentioning it. Like they could have been something as simple as him having a conversation with a sister about Teresa. Like, you know what I mean? Those things that you don't really pay attention to, but your subconscious your subconscious does. But who knows? Who the hell knows?

SPEAKER_01 47:40

The title of this episode is Deus Ex Machina, which translates to God in the machine or God from the machine.

SPEAKER_07 47:52

Ah, an unexpected power or event saving a seemingly hopeless situation, especially as a contrived plot twist in a play or novel.

SPEAKER_01 48:02

When they're in flashback, Anthony Cooper says, I guess that makes me God, huh? Uh-huh. Ah. So And he he was the one who manipulated the events in the flashback. That got Locke to donate the kidney. He was the one behind it.

SPEAKER_07 48:25

Right. So is it his more of Machiavellian as opposed to coming in to save the day? Like his actions are more of a puppeteer. Anthony Cooper or Locke? Cooper. He is more of the puppet master pulling the strings and maybe maybe Machiavellian in his in the way he's doing things. I take phrasing as more of somebody godlike coming to help save the day. Like, or maybe just have, you know what I mean? But he's a plot point. He is a plot point. Gotcha. I see your point. And then plot point taken.

SPEAKER_01 49:04

You also have, which the hatch is not necessarily machine, but at the end of the thing.

SPEAKER_07 49:11

It's godlike, if you ask me.

unknown 49:13

Right.

SPEAKER_01 49:13

It's more something. There's something in there. Something happened.

SPEAKER_07 49:18

I think the the the quote unquote machine, the hatch, is more godlike. It's Cooper like. You know, making pulling the string. So I think it's the god in the machine. That's so weird. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 49:33

And Locke believes that it's their destiny to open this.

SPEAKER_07 49:38

I think so too. I think it's there for a reason.

SPEAKER_01 49:41

But going back to what you said about Pandora's box, now no good could come out of it.

SPEAKER_07 49:46

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 49:47

You don't know what's in there. I I'm gonna assume. If you haven't seen up to this episode, you don't know what I have not seen what's in there.

SPEAKER_07 49:54

Correct.

SPEAKER_01 49:55

Okay. This is gonna be a hard thing for me to try to explain or to talk about.

SPEAKER_07 50:02

So wait till the beginning of next week's episode to tell me.

SPEAKER_01 50:06

No.

SPEAKER_07 50:07

Okay, you'll tell me now.

SPEAKER_01 50:08

It's not gonna matter. This week or next week, it's not gonna matter. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 50:13

Um I mean we don't want you ruin me seeing the episode.

SPEAKER_01 50:16

I'm not copy that boss. Okay. My my point is that in a sense, you're right and he's right.

SPEAKER_07 50:26

Is there a destiny to open up Pandora's box? Mm-hmm. Cool. Well, that's the whole point, Pandora's box. I think even though it said not to open it, you had to open it. You know what I mean? It had to be open.

SPEAKER_01 50:41

This then that's a perfect analogy.

SPEAKER_07 50:43

Pandora's box is still had to be open. But you can't have bad, you can't have good without bad. You can't have a positive without a negative, because without the negative, there is no positive. There's no opposite. Yeah. So thus you had to open up Pandora's box, had to be open. This hatch has to be open, even though it's gonna probably cause mayhem and chaos. There's still something it has to be opened.

SPEAKER_01 51:09

We are going to revisit this idea.

SPEAKER_07 51:12

I feel like I'm like in a lecture. I'm gonna like in a lecture hall, and like the teacher, like in a couple of classes, we're gonna revisit this when we get to the lesson. Okay. I feel like I'm back in school. I like it. I like it lots.

SPEAKER_01 51:24

I can't tell you in how many episodes, but it'll come back. We'll talk about it.

SPEAKER_07 51:30

This season? This season's almost over. It is, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 51:34

Yeah. There's three episodes, then a long season finale. It's not something all right. I don't I don't want this to be a spoiler, but it's just not something that's gonna be okay. Hold on. Give me a second. Let me word my words.

SPEAKER_07 51:55

Please word your words.

SPEAKER_01 51:59

The idea of Pandora's Box and Destiny will will be more than just what you might see in an episode.

SPEAKER_07 52:13

Gotcha. So ongoing underlying.

SPEAKER_01 52:17

And remember, and just just remember that this is a show that also utilizes flashbacks. So not not everything is on the island.

SPEAKER_07 52:31

Copy that.

SPEAKER_01 52:32

I know it's really like you're looking at I've got 16 fucking faces, but I promise that it will make sense.

SPEAKER_03 52:42

I trust you oh, I trust you.

SPEAKER_01 52:46

Okay. Alright.

SPEAKER_07 52:48

Already 95 and a half degrees of trust though.

unknown 52:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 52:54

Let's do trivia. Unless you have anything else about the episode.

SPEAKER_04 53:01

Uh nope, I think that's it.

SPEAKER_01 53:03

Alright. Nothing else about Anthony Cooper being God.

SPEAKER_04 53:07

Nope, that's it. Nope, nope, nope, nope.

SPEAKER_01 53:10

The events of this episode, excluding flashbacks, begin on day 39 of being on the island and run through day 41. Day 40 would be Halloween. Um Day 41 hasn't happened yet. It it'll continue into the next episode. Like this this day is still in the next okay. Gotcha. Um, this is the second of the three to be titled after a Latin phrase, the others being Tabila Rassa and Abaterno. The nurse who checked up on Locke in the hospital will see her again.

SPEAKER_07 53:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 53:50

Oh, look. Sawyer's far-sightedness is revealed in this episode. And Carlton Q states that this is evident from the start of the series. Sawyer successfully kills a polar bear with his gun, but in tabula rasa he missed Edward Mars's chest.

SPEAKER_07 54:07

Okay. So this was intentional.

SPEAKER_01 54:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 54:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 54:12

Anthony Cooper's license plate reads 4 T-R-I-O 19. The same as the license plate on the Hearse in Terminator 3, in which John Connor, Kate, and the Terminator escape Green Lawn Cemetery. So another Terminator connection. The guy um Hibbs played the Terminator. Um, in Sawyer's flashback.

SPEAKER_07 54:40

Oh, okay. Oh, right, right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 54:43

Locke says normally clothing would completely decompose within two years, but this is high quality polyester. Could be two years, could be ten. However, in House of the Rising Sun, Jack says it takes 40 or 50 years for clothing to degrade like this when talking of Adam and Eve. So nobody knows when the fuck clothing deteriorates.

SPEAKER_07 55:04

I um just typical just someone talking to make sure so they sound smart on what the fuck they're saying and say something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 55:13

I'm people the clothing that Adam and Eve had on were in the they were Adam and Eve were in the caves. So they were more or less protected from elements. And the priest was up in a tree. So I don't know. Does that matter? Like if they're in the sun and they're in the rain, like I don't know. Um did that make a difference?

SPEAKER_07 55:36

Maybe I think if we would have I think what he said could have been two years, could have been ten years. I don't think he means literally two or ten years. I think he's just making, I think he's being flippant and making a point like it could be anybody's guess. Yeah. I think it was a little bit more like there is no like because polyester man-made material just yeah.

unknown 55:56

I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 55:57

All right, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:59

Okay, the events of this episode are revisited from other perspectives in I'm not gonna tell you which episodes, but in three other episodes, in three other episodes.

SPEAKER_07 56:12

They revisit this one.

SPEAKER_01 56:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 56:14

Cool. Three of the six? What? Three other episodes for the next six. I'm not telling you. You big doo-doo head.

SPEAKER_04 56:25

You poop head.

SPEAKER_01 56:27

No, alright, I'll give you that. No. The first one with everyone. All I wanted is is in season two.

SPEAKER_07 56:35

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 56:36

But I'm not telling you which one.

SPEAKER_07 56:38

I'm like Siggy and uh the housewives of of Jersey. That's all I wanted. That's all I wanted. I love Siggy, by the way. Love her, loved her, love anything else about this episode? I don't think so. Cool.

SPEAKER_01 56:56

Alright.

SPEAKER_07 56:56

Ready to wrap it up? Let's wrap it up, boo-boo.

SPEAKER_01 57:00

Yeah, and then I gotta go put my chicken away. That'll do it for this week. Stay tuned next week for our next episode. Do no harm. No promises.

SPEAKER_07 57:15

Is this a Jack episode? Yes. Hello, do no harm. Yeah, okay. Kind of obvious.

SPEAKER_01 57:22

Yeah, it's it's Jack.

SPEAKER_07 57:24

Um I'll watch it anyway.

SPEAKER_01 57:29

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I was you waiting for something like a little rough sometimes works too.

SPEAKER_01 58:42

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SPEAKER_07 59:02

We see that singular, so we can highlight you and your thoughts. What did I say? You guys. Really? Fucking correcting me.

SPEAKER_03 59:14

I caught one! Yay!

SPEAKER_01 59:20

So what she said and then um I lost my train of thought now. You were way off with way before now.

SPEAKER_06 59:31

We might have to redo this.

SPEAKER_01 59:33

My train is not just off the track, it's next to the track and around the corner.

SPEAKER_07 59:37

I think we'd like, thank you for listening. Peace out. Like we've done.

SPEAKER_06 59:42

I think we're I think we just cut this short before while we're still ahead.

SPEAKER_01 59:48

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SPEAKER_05 1:00:11

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SPEAKER_01 1:00:14

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SPEAKER_07 1:00:20

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SPEAKER_02 1:00:27

Please.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:34

I think you do it so much better.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:44

Oh, I remember what I was gonna say now. Too late now. Never too late. No. I was gonna say that when I looked at some of the stats, that there were more countries, but I don't remember which ones at this point.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:58

Alright, I gotta go eat. I'm hungry again.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:01

Yeah, I gotta go put that chicken away before it melts into a puddle on my floor. Ew, staminella puddle! Ew