LOST The Shape of Things to Come

SPEAKER_03 0:03

Okay. He didn't exactly say what happened to the doctor, but friends are fine and helicopters coming back in in the morning. He's lying. What the message said was, what are you talking about? The doctor is fine.

SPEAKER_04 0:28

And no, let's go.

SPEAKER_03 0:33

What does that mean? The doctor is fine. I don't know. Why are you lying? Why did you say the helicopters are coming back? Are you gonna take us off this line?

SPEAKER_02 1:18

Hi, and welcome to this episode of Sassin Sips. Today we're gonna talk about season four, episode nine of Lost, the Shape of Things to Come. I'm one of your hosts, I'm Lisa. And I'm Agnes. And what are you drinking today, Agnes?

SPEAKER_01 1:33

I'm having a big glass of bubbly. Hmm. Nice.

SPEAKER_02 1:39

I'm drinking a Stella. Stella. So we this might be a burpy episode. Buggle your seatbelts. It's gonna be a bumpy ride.

SPEAKER_01 1:50

It's gonna be a bumpy ride.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

Well, way to welcome in uh 2024, huh? Let's be famous drunks. Woo! Happy New Year, guys. Also wanna say oh what?

SPEAKER_01 2:02

It's gonna be a year. Oh my gosh, shut up.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

Let's hope it's a good one. So I just want to say thank you to all the people who sent us a message for last call to action. And for those of you who did give us your address, your goodies are on their way. Woohoo!

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Santa, Santa's coming, Santa's coming. A little late. But um considering like the 12th is a Christmas, epiphany hasn't arrived yet, so you still got time. We're not really late. We're up to the 6th. Most Catholics out there. You know, we have.

SPEAKER_02 2:51

I knew it was coming. Oh I knew it. Explain.

SPEAKER_01 3:01

Made me seem like I was a cold-hearted bitch. I mean, listen, I want to tell you though, I wasn't surprised. It was no, it wasn't a jaw dropper. I was like, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 3:17

Obviously, you weren't surprised when you literally fucking predicted it, Nostradamus.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

Okay, Sherlock. Um, yeah, you but you're like, you made me feel like I was such a horrible person. I'm like, but this is big we're talking about. Definitely use him at a pond. I don't see that. That's not a surprise. Have her killed. Also, not a surprise, but you know, was I hoping that he wouldn't go to have like kill her? Yeah, I was hoping, but fucking bitch. She's like, Oh my god, it gets so dark. Your facial expression was complete shock and awe. Like, you stop what you I'm a very good actress.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

I don't know what to tell you.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

You were doing this is what your husband said. Oh wait, the look at her face, though, people. She's like, um, well, no, I'm sorry, Lisa. That's all I have to say. Can you hear it?

SPEAKER_03 4:19

What is it?

SPEAKER_01 4:20

I I knocked on the table. Knock, knock, knock.

SPEAKER_03 4:23

Oh, I couldn't hear it.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

That's an inside joke. I only need the privilege to know this one.

SPEAKER_02 4:33

Or if you listen to the the pre-show, because I I actually did tell Brittany, which is funny because I can't believe I didn't actually tell you.

SPEAKER_01 4:44

Your husband was shocked. Like, he was more shocked that you didn't tell me than over the experience. I think that disturbs the experience was like, okay, it was funny, but this is like what she didn't tell you that. Yeah, shock and awe. I tell you, shock and awe. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

If you want to relive my embarrassment, go find the pre-show. Yeah, I slip a lot of sneaky shit in when we record. Thank you for giving me the finger. You're welcome.

SPEAKER_01 5:15

My manicured finger. At least I give you that much. Oh, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

That's what he said.

SPEAKER_02 5:24

I really wish that you could at the end of watching all of Lost. I really wish that you could then go back to the podcast just so that you could hear all the shit and just be like, this fucking bitch. You thought you were pissed off at CJ. You're gonna be like, I don't even know if we're friends anymore. You'll be like, this fucking I can't believe like from from the get. You're gonna be like, she said what? I said what? Like stuff too.

SPEAKER_01 5:55

See, you were supposed to at the end of each season tell me these moments.

SPEAKER_02 6:01

Yeah. I I'm I know I think you failed.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

We failed, but we failed.

SPEAKER_02 6:10

But season four, we will.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

I'm I have so season four, we do three and four.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

No. Well, she said no, season four. I'll just go over stuff that we haven't yet. So not that's far. Yeah. See, like my my book, I have all the papers with still stuff to tell you. I got you. I can't promise I got you, boo. Don't worry.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

All right, Sherla. At the end of this season, we may be looking for a new co-host. I'm replacing Lisa. I'm kicking her off her own podcast.

SPEAKER_02 6:56

Fine. Fine. On the island at the beach. Don't sing. You know, okay, you know what's one other thing that I like about this episode though? Is that legit you watch this episode and you start to you start to see like, oh, oh, that's how oh that's oh look that and then like it connects this dot and it connects this dot, but then without even realizing it, you're like, oh fuck. It just gave me like five new dots.

SPEAKER_01 7:35

You mean like every episode? But um, so Lost is a show that you actually have to watch and pay attention and focus on and take notes and take the crib notes and watch, yeah. So this episode, I was busy doing other things, so I really wasn't as focused as I should have been. So I'm gonna have a real I'm gonna have a lot of real dumb moments this episode, which is not really news now that I say it out loud. Okay, never mind.

SPEAKER_02 8:04

All right, well then let's just jump in. So on the island at the beach, Jack and Kate smile and wave at each other as Kate digs her bare feet into the sand and lowers the straps on her camisole. What with the dramatic?

SPEAKER_01 8:22

She has a hand movement and the voice. She's getting into character.

SPEAKER_02 8:30

I've been drinking.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

And what's new?

SPEAKER_02 8:34

I know. Jack goes into his tent and goes through the box of medicines. Kate comes in and tells him he looks awful. He takes what he says are antibiotics and that he has a stomach bug. They flirt until they hear Vincent barking, and then it's funny. If she would have barked, then it would have been funny. Um And then Bernard calls for help. They run to investigate and find a dead body in the surf. They pull it from the water, and Daniel reveals that the body is Ray, the freighter's doctor. His throat is slit. Jack asks when Daniel last saw Ray, and Daniel replies, When when is kind of a relative term? That's like the beginning of the episode, and then basically the next sentence the next paragraph is like the end, but we're just gonna do it now. So later, Daniel partially repairs the satellite phone using wiring from the plane, enough to communicate with the freighter in Morse code. He transmits what happened to the doctor and listens as the freighter replies. Daniel says that the response from the freighter was that Desmond and Said are fine and that the helicopter would return in the morning. Bernard steps forward to say that the reply was, What are you talking about? The doctor is fine. Under pressure from an angry Jack, Daniel reveals the freighter never planned to rescue anyone from the island after all. Jack doubles up in pain and stumbles away.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

So when he said, What do you mean the doctor is fine? This goes back to he said time is a relative thing. So at the time that they got the message, the doctor is fine, technically speaking, but in this five seconds away on the boat, on the ice on the boat, it's really what a day and a half, they said.

SPEAKER_02 10:44

Well, obviously they're behind, but like like a was it like a half a day or something? A half a day. Because it's like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

So much has happened, I feel like it's been more than a half a day. Like the doctor really shouldn't be fine at this point. Because I I feel like it's been more, you know.

SPEAKER_02 11:00

Right.

unknown 11:01

Shh.

SPEAKER_01 11:02

Six years happens, like a whole lot of shit happens in like one day. Meanwhile, three seasons later, you're still in the same day.

SPEAKER_02 11:10

Yeah. Pretty much. At the barracks, Alex is captured by a group of six mercenaries from the freighter, led by Martin Keamy. They remove her blindfold at the sonic fence surrounding the barracks and order her to deactivate the fence. She wants them to make a promise because the survivors have a baby with them. But Kimi holds a gun to her head and she enters the code 1623 and disarms the fence. At the barracks, Sawyer, Locke, and Hurley are playing Risk. I like how when they're playing and it's like so intense, but like you know it's kind of like a fake out because they're like, they want us to go against each other. You're gonna kill us all, blah blah blah. And Hurley is like, Australia is the key. And it's kind of like a like a weird, like in the sense of the game.

SPEAKER_01 12:29

So it's kind of like a play on the show.

SPEAKER_02 12:31

It's funny, like right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

It reminds me of that famous line from every TV show and every movie. This is not a movie, this is real life. Like, I love that. I love that line. I crack up every time I hear it because I'm such an asshole.

SPEAKER_02 12:47

The phone rings, and Locke picks up the receiver and hears an automated message repeating code 14j. Code 14j.

SPEAKER_01 12:56

Sounds like me when I'm paging code 14j. Pick up code 14j, pick up. I'm well, actually, no, there's two exotic women now. Anyway, I got my daughter, and they fine, so funny, funny story. So the one of the man, one of the employees, management, whatever, and they're like, Oh, what time do we need today? Noon. I said, Yeah, noon. And they're like, Who comes in? I was like, Krista, and I said, So you still get some sass throughout the day. He goes, Oh no, she's the nice one. So I made this look.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

I'm like, you don't know her. So when I told her, the look on her face was like, I'm like me, nice. Oh, I'm like, they really don't know you. She's like, no, not at all. Okay, back to it's a movie, not a not real life.

SPEAKER_02 14:02

Ben is playing the piano in another house and is agitated when Locke and Sawyer come in and tell him about the phone call. Ben opens the piano bench and pulls out a sort of shotgun.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

I love that. That is my life. I won't say life goals, but that's not actually my life. But I felt that to my bones. Um, my grandmother and my great-grandmother, that's how they like no matter what part of the house they were in, like everyone has their chair. They had their chair in the kitchen, they had their chair in the living room, their bed, whatever, they had their spots. And whatever spot they, they knew they had a gun that they can just pull out if necessary.

SPEAKER_02 14:45

I don't know about that light.

SPEAKER_01 14:47

So, you know, it's a lot like the South and the Midwest are very similar that way.

SPEAKER_02 14:51

You know, I mean, I don't have a gun, but I got my bats in my spots.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

Same premise. Like you have you have your weapons, and I have my bats. I got my I still have my ugly sticks.

SPEAKER_02 15:03

I I don't have one in my car anymore, but yeah, I used to.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

I got um this this childhood tribulations of one being a female, and then and you got you just have to just people suck.

SPEAKER_02 15:21

Yeah, but that's like a whole nother side quest, and we're not going on it right now.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

But mom, okay, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 15:30

I'm too buzzed to get pissed off.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

Oh, I think you meant like a side quest as a like a tangent in general. This particular tangent.

SPEAKER_02 15:37

Well, this particular tangent.

SPEAKER_01 15:39

Got you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:41

Sorry. We warned you that we're all drinking bubbly. So it's gonna be a gassy show.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

He racks a shell and he hands it to a surprise Sawyer. They take a position at Locke's house, which was formerly Ben's, blockading the doors and windows. Locke demands to know what is going on, and Ben replies, they're here, but he can't say that.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

He should have.

SPEAKER_02 16:08

Ben warns Sawyer not to go outdoors, but he goes to wake Claire from her house and fetch her. Ben tells Locke that he must survive the attack so that the two of them, with Hurley to guide them, can get help from Jacob. Sawyer tells Doug, who's another survivor, to get inside. But gunfire from the tree line kills Doug, Jerome, and a woman. I mean, honestly, do these people actually have fucking names or do they just like I think it was the it came out the hat.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

They're like, you know what, let's just give them names as we write this synopsis. It's literally as they're writing the synopsis, I think they're like, okay, these are the names now.

SPEAKER_02 16:43

Well, it's like Doug Jerome and a woman.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

So the woman doesn't even get a fake name. The patriarchy, damn it.

SPEAKER_02 16:53

Sawyer manages to dodge the hail of gunfire, returns shots with his handgun, and he works his way to Claire's house just in time to see it destroyed by like some kind of fucking bomb.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

Super Sawyer. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 17:07

But mm-hmm. Yeah, with only like a picnic table with big ass slats to be like, nope, I'm safe here.

SPEAKER_01 17:15

Um if anyone's gonna be safe, I'm glad it was Sawyer. Yeah, Sawyer's my fate. I love I love Sawyer because he's who he is who he is, and he it is the fun.

SPEAKER_02 17:26

He just ran through a hell of gunfire to try to save Claire.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

Oh right, and he's the person, he's like that anti-hero. You know what I mean? Like he like when a shit hits the fan, he got your back.

SPEAKER_02 17:37

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

Only when the shit hits the fan. Under normal circumstances, you're on your own.

SPEAKER_02 17:44

I'm a feminist. After the house explodes, the gunfire ceases. I mean, right, like well, after that.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

What more is there?

SPEAKER_02 17:59

Sawyer searches through the rubble of the house and finds Claire, scratched, but otherwise injured. She was like the fucking wicked witch. Okay, all you see is her feet with like a house on top of her. Like, they really do love their Wizard of Oz themes in this show. As he picks her up, she's dazed and calls him Charlie. Sawyer yells for the others to open the front door as he carries Claire, but is blockaded by furniture. Against Ben's wishes not to open the door, Hurley's like, fuck that, and he throws an ottoman through the window. He's like, Okay, I didn't open the door.

SPEAKER_01 18:39

Right? Everything you said.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

Yo, Hurley's taking some serious leadership in this episode. Did you notice that?

SPEAKER_01 18:48

Being super hurly.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

Super hurly. Shortly afterward, the doorbell rings. Like such a fucking normal thing, right? They're all just like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Ding dong.

SPEAKER_01 19:02

Ding dong, the witch is dead, the witch is dead. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 19:05

Sawyer sees who's at the door and unlocks and opens it to let Miles in. Who has a walkie-talkie from the mercenaries?

SPEAKER_01 19:14

Explain to me how they didn't want to let Sawyer and Claire in, but they're gonna open the door for Miles.

SPEAKER_02 19:21

Like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

Right.

SPEAKER_02 19:24

Well, then again, Sawyer was the one who just made the decision, not Ben or Locke. So if Sawyer had been inside, Sawyer would have moved this stuff to let Sawyer in.

SPEAKER_00 19:41

Okay, good point. Sawyer would have Sawyer in okay, good point.

SPEAKER_01 19:46

That makes sense at Lisa kind of way.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

It does.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

And the whole alternate universe parallel with the earth turning kind of way.

SPEAKER_02 19:53

Yeah. You look like you're at a rave.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

I told you it'd be like a really hot dance move.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

Ben initially refuses to talk to them, but Miles tells Ben that their hostage is Alex.

SPEAKER_01 20:08

Didn't he say it's your daughter?

SPEAKER_02 20:11

I mean, yeah, he he said it was your daughter, but like I guess in the synopsis land, it's you know.

SPEAKER_01 20:20

I figured it was just somewhat poignant. It's like it's your daughter. So synopsis, you failed there. The synopsis, like you missed it was a missed opportunity for some drama.

SPEAKER_02 20:32

Ben talks with Kimi, who instructs him to look out a window so they can talk face to face. Kimi asks Ben to come out and promises not to harm anyone else. But Ben tells him his violent history and that he knows exactly what kind of man he is, and that he can't be trusted. Kimi drops the formalities, and Alex is brought and forced to kneel at gunpoint. Kimi instructs Ben to walk out the front door and no one in the house will get hurt. Ben refuses and issues a counter offer, instructing the mercenaries to turn around, leave, and forget the island.

SPEAKER_01 21:11

No.

SPEAKER_02 21:12

Kimi tells Alex to say goodbye and tells Ben that he has ten seconds. As Kimi counts down, Ben says that Alex means nothing to him, as he took her from an insane woman and that she is just a pawn, nothing more. Alex hears this in anguish and pleads for her life. Ben declares that he is not coming out the house, and Kimi shoots Alex in the head. So you weren't surprised?

SPEAKER_01 21:39

No.

SPEAKER_02 21:40

I I mean I was kind of surprised, like that they would actually kill her. Not in not that Ben would allow it, but that the show would kill her off.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

Yeah, Matt. Okay. They kill everybody off.

SPEAKER_02 21:55

That is true. That's a good point. Ben stares in shock before muttering, he changed the rules and quickly retreats to his secret room where he seals the blast door behind him. Ben pushes aside his Oh, what?

SPEAKER_01 22:12

I feel like this is the point. This is the that turning point when Ben is gonna become more b finish.

SPEAKER_02 22:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

This is when Ben is gonna be like, oh. It's on. But in a nice, calm, methodical way.

SPEAKER_02 22:31

But in in the way, in a ben way.

SPEAKER_01 22:33

In a ben way. It's gonna be he's gonna be very methodical about it. He's gonna be yeah. No fucks giving.

SPEAKER_02 22:40

Right.

SPEAKER_01 22:40

Oh. If if you if if if he could be more so that I don't know if he can even be that I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

Ben pushes aside his hanging suits and reveals another secret doorway. The walls appear to be made of stone, and the door is carved with some sort of hieroglyphics. He opens the door and walks in. Later, Sawyer shouts and beats on the blast door that closed behind Ben when Claire emerges from another room carrying Aaron and asks, What's going on? Sawyer asks Claire, You alright, sweetheart? And she tells him, Yeah, a bit wobbly, but um, I'll live. Right. I was like, Why?

SPEAKER_01 23:24

Why were you because not that he doesn't have feelings, not that he doesn't care, but he does, you don't see, yeah, you don't see it that often. Right, like he's he's very tender with her, very tender, and it's not it's more like big like a brother-sister tenderness. I gotta protect the girly, the woman, like not that she's the only woman, but she's feminine. I don't say feminine, but she's soft. She's a mother of a new child of a newborn child, so there's a lot that it's a lot to protect. And it's just to see him that way. I'm not surprised. It's still it's still like, oh, well, yeah, that you don't see that often. So every time you do see a softer side to him, you're like, oh shit, oh yeah, well, it's Sawyer. So you make him you like him even more.

SPEAKER_02 24:15

And Miles replies, Well, I wouldn't be too sure about that. About her, you know, saying that she'll live. Ben emerges from his secret room covered in black sooth. He orders everyone to leave the house in one minute and to run for the tree line on his command. A rumbling is heard, and the monster thunders into the camp and plunges into the tree line. The monster is multiple thick columns of black smoke cutting through the trees. There's some sort of electrical discharge going off inside the smoke, which causes a flashing white light and crackling noises. The survivors watch in awe as it attacks the mercenaries in the woods. Hurley questions whether Ben summoned a monster. As it draws further away, Locke and the survivors escape into the jungle, while Ben lingers momentarily to say goodbye to his daughter. Ben catches up with the rest of the group at the creek. Sawyer is frustrated with Locke Ben's plan to go and see Jacob and decides to leave for the beach. Miles, Hurley, Claire, and Aaron go with him, but as they turn to leave, Locke pulls a gun on Sawyer. He insists Hurley stay to guide them to Jacob's cabin. Sawyer and Loc have a standoff at gunpoint, but Hurley agrees to go with Locke and talks them into putting down their weapons. It's like Hurley, ever since Charlie died, Hurley has really kind of stepped up his game. He's a lot less, a lot more no nonsense, a lot more take charge, make a decision.

SPEAKER_01 25:53

I think he lost the little his the last bit of innocence is gone.

SPEAKER_02 26:00

Of yeah, and then I like when Sawyer is like, if you hurt one little hair on his curly head, you the fact the character developments.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

I'm very happy with Sawyer. I'm happy with Hurley. I said I don't like Jack.

SPEAKER_02 26:17

Um Sawyer definitely has one of the best character arcs absolutely in the whole show.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

I feel like the main main characters, I don't know if they just got lazy with them or they're changing their focus, but the secondary main characters, like the Hurley's, the Sawyers, like the they're really, I don't know. I think they were written to be the best parts to begin with. I think they from the beginning, I think they had a plan for them as characters. Not the storyline necessarily, actually, no, with the storyline, as crazy as these fucking storylines are, they had to have something. Um red, like I can see, I can see now the board on the wall with the red yarn going from here to there, like you explain lost to me. Um their characters were worked out way, way from the beginning, I think. Because the Jack and the Kate and who else do I feel kind of like blah about? Claire's always secondary to Jenna Summon, always I feel those the characters' names are always secondary, like the secondary main characters. Um who else do I feel blah about? Saeed, although he's not he doesn't have a lot of main episodes, also another very strong character. It's weird. The ones that don't get the lot of main character, the ones that don't have a lot of like main episodes or main focus have probably the best character development. Okay, that's enough. Okay, I'm getting sober. This is a problem.

SPEAKER_02 28:12

We're gonna talk about flash forwards now. It's October 2005.

SPEAKER_01 28:18

We're in the Sahara Desert. The Sahara Desert with the polar bear and the space-time continuum and him him there is not is not an accident.

SPEAKER_02 28:32

Why not?

SPEAKER_01 28:34

Because it's lost. There's enough reason, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:38

A disoriented Benjamin Linus wakes up on the ground in the middle of the Sahara Desert wearing a parker with the Dharma logo and the name Helloax on it. His right arm has deep wounds on it, and there appears to be steam evaporating off of him. He vomits, and two armed bedouins on horse horse. On horseback on a horse.

SPEAKER_01 29:05

You're like cat in her accents.

SPEAKER_02 29:08

I don't know what I'm doing right now, like with my whole life. And speaking of things, I don't know what I'm doing with. Where is my bottle opener?

SPEAKER_01 29:17

God she's a lighter. Oh, you don't have a lighter.

SPEAKER_02 29:21

I don't have a lighter. Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 29:24

And you got your bottle?

SPEAKER_02 29:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 29:26

One of the Bedouins speaking Arabic points out how Ben does not have a trail. The other replies, where did this guy come from? Down the sky.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Right, just poof out of nowhere. Like the polar bear.

SPEAKER_02 29:41

Well, speaking of, so where do you think he came from? Because you're like, he has no trail.

SPEAKER_01 29:46

He has the Dharma logo on his jacket. I think he just went poof. Okay, so let's see. Of outlandish agnosticisms.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

He just went obviously poof.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

Okay, so he has the like the jacket looks new, like it doesn't look old or beat up or ancient.

SPEAKER_02 30:06

Well, couldn't it just be because he lives on a fucking sunny island? So why would you ever need to wear that too?

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Um, okay, so fine, be logical and shit. Um, I think they have a way of getting off the island that's a little bit more direct.

SPEAKER_02 30:29

Direct as in what? Like a time machine? Be me up, Scotty.

SPEAKER_01 30:36

They do like Star Trek, so I'm just saying, um, I don't have something realistically outlandish yet. And that's what we're looking for, realistically outlandish, because this is lost.

SPEAKER_02 30:49

Does it even have to be realistic?

SPEAKER_01 30:51

But no, it doesn't. I mean, from I think from my own sanity, it has to be somewhat realistic, damn it. Okay, like okay, even like you mock my dance moves, but that whole access space-time continue change of axis is based on science-ish. Science fiction, maybe. So it's realistically outlandish.

SPEAKER_02 31:13

Ben asks him if they speak English, and when he gets no reply, he asks them if they speak Arabic, then Turkish, but they still do not speak with him. As one searches him, he feels something hard in Ben's pocket. That's what she said. Ben pulls out a metal cylinder, which is a telescopic baton. He spins around, beats the Bedouin who was searching him, takes the gun, and shoots the other. Yo, he was like Saeed Swift. Right? Okay, so once again, I bet you didn't see that coming.

SPEAKER_01 31:46

I did not see it coming, but at the same time, I wasn't quite surprised. I feel like he has some kind of training or something. Don't be all flipping with me because I wasn't surprised. She's all flipping it shit. Like, whatever. I tell you when I'm actually surprised. And I was like, okay, this is Ben. Ben the future, Ben the kick ass ninja. I don't know. Like the dude fell from the sky practically. He I feel like he was on his back, like just there. So obviously he could kick ass.

SPEAKER_02 32:19

Did a cloud cut his arm on the way down? No, as clouds.

SPEAKER_01 32:24

No, we see what happened. He was in a fight, and then he fell to the space and time continuum in mid-fight. You've seen Jet Lee like the one, right? No, no, no. Oh my god, that's so good. You gotta see that. Jet Lee, I love for I love all Jet Lee movies, but the one, like, it's about this multiple universes, and there's obviously there's a you in each universe. Okay, and you have like obviously traveling to the universe is uh policed because as one of you die, like their energy, their life force gets divided amongst the rest of the you's so bad. They don't want to keep bad guys from killing all the you's it becomes like the superpower. So it was a there's one of the jet leys in the double universe who's killing all the jet leys, and one jet lead in this universe was a cop, so it came down to those two jet leys. So space-time continuum universe. So he's gonna fight, and he ended up. I don't fucking know. He he fell from the island. I don't know. He took a dive, he took a dive down the island, and the next thing you know, once you dive down off the island into the sea, poof the desert obviously makes perfect sense because the island's in the sky.

SPEAKER_00 33:56

I don't fucking know.

SPEAKER_02 33:58

So the beaten one then says, surrender, and Ben says, Oh, so you do speak English. I fucking love it though. Like, how do you not love Michael Emerson's portrayal of Benjamin Linus? Like you have to like him, you have to because he's just like Yeah, yeah, he's I mean the acting in general in this show is really, really fucking good. It is then you have exceptional, you know, and Michael Emerson is just one of those where he he plays characters like this so perfectly, and you can't help but love the character for like this kind of twist. What's he gonna do next? Um well, but then he hits him with the rifle butt and he ties his arm wound and rides off on one of their horses. Next, we see him in Tunisia, and I can't remember why, but weren't we talking about Tunisia in like one of the last like episode or two? Yes. Um and I thought it was funny because I knew that this was coming, but now I can't remember why we were talking about Tunisia.

SPEAKER_01 35:16

Um, something was in Tunisia. Oh wait, okay. First of all, we were talking.

SPEAKER_02 35:23

It was the dig.

SPEAKER_01 35:24

The dig, but we brought but we brought that up because something else happened in the episode that we were talking about, that we currently were talking about. We brought that one back up. Hold no, no, no, no, no. Not not today, Agnes. You we are not fucking no, we're not letting this go. We're gonna find out right now, today, in about 15 minutes or 30 hours.

SPEAKER_02 35:50

Yeah, if you guys can remember why the fuck we were talking about Tunisia, uh, let us know. Um, anyway. Ben checks into a hotel and the desk clerk asks if it's his first time in Tunisia, but he tells her that he's been there before, although it's been a while. He gives the name Dean Moriarty and introduces himself as a preferred guest.

SPEAKER_01 36:16

Moriarty. That's funny, Sherlock.

SPEAKER_02 36:19

Mm-hmm. The clerk looks for his name in a book and treats him with additional respect, asking if there's anything else she can do for him. So he asks the clerk what's the date. She answers it's October 24th, and then he clarifies that he wants the year, saying 2005. And she says, Yes, but she looks surprised. As he heads to his room, he overhe he overhears Saeed's name mentioned on the television, and he turns to watch a news broadcast showing Said getting into a car as he's being hounded by the press, telling them he just wants to bury his wife in peace. Tikrete, Iraq. In Tikrete, Ben emerges from an SUV labeled press. He slips up a stairway to the top floor. He pulls a camera with a zoom lens from his bag and snaps a photo of a man watching the funeral procession for Saeed's wife, Nadia. He then turns the camera towards Saeed using his flash. Saeed appears to spot Ben, who hurries back down the stairs. In the street, Saeed tackles Ben to the ground. First he thought he was press, but then realizes who he is and questions how he got to Iraq. Ben says he slipped in via the Syrian border. Saeed says that he meant how did Ben get off the island, and Ben tells Saeed he left via Desmond's boat, Elizabeth. And after landing in Fiji, he chartered a plane. He also explains that a man at the procession, whom he identifies from a traffic camera still as Ishmael Bakir, was sent by Charles Whidmore to kill Saeed's wife in Los Angeles. She was killed three blocks from the corner of La Brea and Santa Monica five days earlier. Said vows to kill the man, saying it's his it's his war now too. Ben is watching Ismail while being served coffee by a waiter in a cafe. Suddenly, Ishmael leaves and Ben pursues but loses him. Ben turns into an alley with it where Ismail appears behind him. He asks who Ben is and why he's following him. Ben identifies himself and explains that he needs him to carry a message to Widmore. He asks what the message is, and Saeed shoots him. Ben tells him not to let his grief become anger, but Saeed wants revenge, asking who's next? Ben pleads with Saeed to think about what he's doing with his life, telling him he doesn't need to get involved. Said stands his ground, and Ben promises to contact him. As Ben walks away, he has a smirk on his face. Next, we're in London, England with Ben. Late at night in London, Ben emerges from a taxi and enters a building. He tricks the doorman, claiming to be heading to visit a mister and misses Kendrick in apartment four E. That's that white fucking privilege getting him in. But instead he has a key to allow the elevator to go up to the penthouse suite. You know, if he was black, that that doorman would have called every fucking body already.

SPEAKER_01 39:34

And we could have been and actually could live there. And they still would be like questioning you. But that's okay. That's you know.

SPEAKER_02 39:40

Yeah, he the doorman's like at this hour, and Ben's like, well, yes, call ahead if you like. Okay. Go ahead. Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 39:50

Yeah, I said what I said. I said, Oh, she said what she said, people. No fucks giving. And what?

SPEAKER_02 39:58

Ben makes his way into a bedroom and he calls Charles, who wakes. Ben inquires as to when Woodmore started sleeping with a bottle of scotch by his bed. Woodmore replies when the nightmare started. Charles asks Ben if he has come to kill him. Ben says we both know I can't do that. He instead accuses Whidmore of changing the rules and killing his daughter. The two argue about who bears responsibility for Alex's death. The debate concludes with Ben vowing to kill Whidmore's daughter, Penny, so that he will know the same pain Ben knows. Woodmore claims to know what Ben is, saying everything Ben has he took from Whidmore. Ben says Charles will wish he hadn't changed the rules, and Whidmore counters that Ben will never find Penny and that he wants his island back. Ben tells Charles he'll never find the island. Charles then says that the hunt is on for both of them. And with that, the episode ends.

SPEAKER_01 41:07

I vaguely remember something I said I don't know, a couple seasons ago about the island is everywhere and nowhere, and it's not here, and it's all over. I think I said something like that, or maybe I just thought it. See, you'll never find the island. The island is nowhere and everywhere. The island does not have a stationary location.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

So it moves.

SPEAKER_01 41:35

Thank you. The island moves.

SPEAKER_02 41:37

You have said that before.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

I have, right? Because I don't know if I said it, thought it, or just a drunken stupor.

SPEAKER_02 41:43

I've heard you say that.

SPEAKER_01 41:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 41:44

I mean, I don't know how you move an island, but I mean, listen.

SPEAKER_01 41:49

This is lost. How the fucking polar bear in the Sahara Deserts.

SPEAKER_02 41:53

Right. So I guess the island can move.

SPEAKER_01 41:57

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 41:59

Alright.

SPEAKER_01 42:00

It was a good okay. So I don't feel too bad. I think I caught all the nuances considering I was a lot of hidden shit. Right. So thank God it was a good episode to be otherwise occupied.

SPEAKER_02 42:14

Alright, some trivia.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

I'm ready.

SPEAKER_02 42:17

The Dharma logo seen on the breast of the parkour worn by Ben is that of the orchid. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 42:26

Is that have some? I mean, cool, but should I?

SPEAKER_02 42:30

It's another station.

SPEAKER_01 42:31

Okay. Nothing I need to remember, right? Nothing that's important. Just like, oh, fun facts. Okay. I never know what lost. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:39

Ben speaks Arabic and Turkish. The television reporter that mentions Said while Ben is in Tunisia states, one of the sons of Iraq, and despite the terrible cause for his return, Saeed Jura, one of the members of the Oceanic Six, returned to Baghdad after his wife passed away. Saeed Jara and his wife are from the Tikrete area.

SPEAKER_01 43:04

Can you just tell me who the Oceanic Six are?

SPEAKER_02 43:06

No.

SPEAKER_01 43:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 43:09

So this flash forward takes place in October 2005, which is one year and one month after the crash.

SPEAKER_01 43:16

But when is it on the island? That's the question. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 43:22

The symbols on Ben's secret door appear to be hieroglyphs that are deter determinative signs in Egyptian. A basic translation is to summon protection, according to the lost ninja.

SPEAKER_01 43:37

They need those hieroglyphs when they travel telepathically.

SPEAKER_02 43:45

The passport that Ben uses in Tunisia is Canadian.

SPEAKER_01 43:51

That's usually the safest passport for spies to use because they could Canada stays out of all the bullshit for the most part. So when people want to get it in and out of like questionable countries, like where US passport may not be seen as a friendly or London passport, might not see like a Canadian passport is is like the go to passport. I have no life. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 44:17

This is the first episode since Egg Town to feature Hurley saying, dude, marking a four episode hiatus. The longest in the show.

SPEAKER_01 44:27

Four too long, damn it.

SPEAKER_02 44:30

This is the first episode to have a flash forward from the perspective of someone who was not on the plane, and the first of two from the perspective of a non-Oceanic Six member. Did they have a flash forward with Juliet? A flash forward? No, she had a flashback.

SPEAKER_01 44:51

A flashback. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 44:53

So here's a blooper. Here's some few bloopers. Jack tells Kate that Said had informed him that the freighter's engine was down. The camp's satellite phone had broken before Said learned this information. There could have not communicated to them. Right, because they weren't like, why were you doing that? There is an attached shirt rack concealing the hieroglyph door in this episode rather than the storage shelving shown in the same position in The Economist. When Ben appears in the desert for the first time, he appears on his back on a hard cracked ground. In the next shot, he's shown raising himself up off of a completely sandy surface.

SPEAKER_01 45:46

See, someone did do their homework.

SPEAKER_02 45:49

I know. Some other things that happened in this episode, right? Notable. The doctor shows up murdered.

SPEAKER_01 45:56

When? We don't know.

SPEAKER_02 45:57

Why did he have been murdered? We get another close-up of an eye, Ben's eye. We also have Ben closing Alex's eye. Well, eyes. There's the whole light and dark theme. So in in the last scene when Ben and Charles are talking.

SPEAKER_01 46:15

It's dark.

SPEAKER_02 46:16

Was dark, but both, but their face is like half and half. Light, you know, they're each light and dark.

SPEAKER_01 46:23

Yin and yang, yang and yin. The good and the evil, the evil and the good.

SPEAKER_02 46:28

We kind of come to see how Saeed begins working for Ben. Yes. So you didn't have to wait too long for that. I appreciate that. Thank you, Lost. Daniel says that it was never their intention to rescue.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

Finally, he told him the truth. I mean, Locke told them. My man Locke told them, but they didn't want to listen.

SPEAKER_02 46:52

Ben believes that Widmore is responsible for killing Alex. And he vows. I mean, since he considers Alex his daughter, he vows to kill Whidmore's daughter, Penny. And then there's the whole Widmore tells him, Well, you won't find my daughter. And Ben's like, Well, you won't find the island.

SPEAKER_01 47:10

The moving island.

SPEAKER_02 47:13

Martin Keamy served in the United States Marine Corps from 96 to 2001. The exact same time and length that Desmond served in the Royal Scots Regiment. And both men are associated with Charles Woodmore. Okay. Some cultural references. The title of this episode is also the title of a book by H. G. Wells. And it's written in the form of a history book from the future. One of the novel's main settings is Iraq, specifically the city of Basra, which is at the center of a world state emerging after a collapse of civilization and becomes, in effect, the capital of the world. So, as we saw, Dean Moriarty is one of the the name of one of the two main characters in On the Road by Jack Kerouak, but also from Sherlock Holmes.

SPEAKER_01 48:16

Moriarty.

SPEAKER_02 48:17

You already pointed that out.

SPEAKER_01 48:19

Sherlock.

SPEAKER_02 48:21

When Kate tells Jack you look terrible, the same exchange took place during the flash forward and through the looking glass.

SPEAKER_01 48:30

I thought that was familiar.

SPEAKER_02 48:32

Those survivors who followed Locke opting to seek protection in fear of the freighter crew are ultimately those who are attacked and or killed by them.

SPEAKER_01 48:43

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:44

Yeah. How's that for your irony?

SPEAKER_01 48:48

That's a good point. That's actually funny. Okay. Not funny.

SPEAKER_02 48:53

Ben wearing a park in the middle of the desert.

SPEAKER_01 48:56

Well, he he misses mock. Listen, the choke travel thing, time, travel, space, continue thing is not exact science. We're still working on that. Wait, axis turn, and then it goes.

SPEAKER_02 49:14

Locke did not want to execute Ben in front of Alex, and ultimately, Alex is executed in front of Ben.

SPEAKER_01 49:23

Womp Womp.

SPEAKER_02 49:24

Whoops.

SPEAKER_01 49:25

Womp.

SPEAKER_02 49:26

Ben told Michael and Meet Kevin Johnson that he will not kill an innocent person, but now tells Charles Woodmore that he intends to kill Penelope.

SPEAKER_01 49:35

Well, I think it goes back to um that's him playing a he wasn't doing that to prove a point. He was doing that to manipulate him.

SPEAKER_02 49:44

I mean, yeah, but don't you think that Ben would follow through?

SPEAKER_01 49:48

Oh, I think he'll follow through. But he told Kevin he wouldn't kill someone.

SPEAKER_02 49:52

That was him being manipulative.

SPEAKER_01 49:54

He likes he really wasn't trying to prove a point to Michael.

SPEAKER_02 49:57

Well, he told Charles.

SPEAKER_01 50:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:00

Got it. Alex is killed by Kimi, who's an ex-military non-commissioned officer who works for Charles Whidmore. Ben later employs Said, who is ex-military assassin as an assassin whose primary role is to kill Whidmore's people and possibly Whidmore's daughter Penny.

SPEAKER_01 50:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 50:21

When they're in Charles Whidmore's bedroom, the Black Rock Storm painting is seen.

SPEAKER_01 50:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 50:32

That remember that's the one that he bought in the auction.

SPEAKER_01 50:35

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 50:39

I mean, that's pretty much it, right? And then some of the so we know now we know why Said is working with Ben. We see that Ben is another one who can get on and off the island. We also get hints at what is this relationship that Ben and Widmore have? Rules. What are the fucking rules? Like, why will he never find the island? Why was Ben in Tunisia? This time and last time. I mean, oh, and one of the rules is that they can't kill each other. Anything?

SPEAKER_01 51:17

Yeah, no, not at the moment. Okay. I can't no. I yeah, no. By the next episode, I will have a theory. Just remind me. So don't you like okay, back to how we talked about the last pre-show about like how you ended to be a spy. And the so my little my stories were kind of like kind of cool. But the fact that also know that Canadian um passports are kind of preferred over American, depending on what country they're trying to get into. There is likely that someone will want to take me to help them spy and be come on.

unknown 52:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:03

If anybody needs a sidekick, a spy sidekick. I'm just available.

SPEAKER_01 52:07

I'm available. Please, if you're single, that'd be amazing. Oh, please, you know, that'd be great. Please, please. Come on. I know how to use weapons, different types. My mama taught me how to use a couple. I am uh, you know, I'm useful.

SPEAKER_02 52:29

I'm at school separately.

SPEAKER_03 52:35

I'm a package deal.

SPEAKER_01 52:38

So Sherlock.

SPEAKER_03 52:40

Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_01 52:41

What do we have coming to us next week? Next week we're sorry.

SPEAKER_02 52:49

Next week we have the next episode of actually, it's not quite the next week, it's like two weeks, but the next episode is something nice back home. Plus, we are getting ready for our season four bonus episode, and we want to invite you to join us. If you want to participate, we are going to do a recap slash trivia episode, and you can DM us or send us a message. All of our contact information is in the show notes. You can go to assassinsips.com, you can find us on uh our email, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and just let us know that you want to participate and we can give you more details. With that being said, before we sign off, we also want to give you guys a call to action. We really appreciate all of you who participated last time and we'd like to keep the momentum going. So, in honor of our season four beginning to wrap up, we invite you to share your favorite episode. It could be season four or it could be from any season. Just pick your favorite episode, share it to any of your social medias, and if you'd like, you can say why it's your favorite. We'd love to hear that information. We also like to remind you, as always, please do not drink and drive. Drink responsibly. Go to assassinsips.com for all the ways to support this show. And until next time, I'm Lisa. And I'm Agnes. And we're out of here.

SPEAKER_00 54:49

I think we should leave all of this in.

unknown 54:52

No.

SPEAKER_01 54:53

We warned them. So you know I have my phone my phone on silent, so I had to check it every so often.

SPEAKER_02 55:00

Oh, excuse me.

SPEAKER_01 55:01

This is a nice one.

SPEAKER_02 55:03

Oh, felt good.

SPEAKER_01 55:04

I didn't know. Gabby Foxworth, the one that played um the little sister on um Family Matters, the one that went upstairs and never came back. She started doing adult films. Obviously, when she got older, not as a child.

SPEAKER_02 55:17

Well, fuck, they wrote her off a show. She got issues now. Even her fake family didn't want her. That's a damn ultimate daddy issues.

SPEAKER_00 55:25

Right. The fake daddy didn't want sure. Like, what do I do now?

SPEAKER_01 55:34

And back to daddy issues. Why do women always get blamed for daddy issues and not the motherfuckers that cause the daddy issues?