Fan Favorite ft. Germar Derron

SPEAKER_04 0:00

I would totally listen to that because I'm sure that we've said things that were wrong.

SPEAKER_02 0:04

No, it's it's really good actually. It's good. It's interesting because I listened. It is to listen to you trying not to tell her things. And it's just what she told me. I just I just listened, uh, I think I listened yesterday, maybe. And uh it is, it's interesting. It's cause I know too. And she's saying stuff and guessing stuff like we were 10 years ago. It's so funny.

SPEAKER_04 0:33

Hi, and welcome to this mini episode of Sassin Sips, where we are going to discuss a listener favorite moment. We are your hosts. I'm Lisa. And I'm Agnes. And we have a special guest with us today. Jamar, would you like to introduce yourself?

SPEAKER_02 0:52

Yes, yes, I would. Uh hi. My name is Jamar Jamar Duran. I am the host of the Look to the Cookie Podcast. And I am also an avid Lost fan, old school. Back in the day, I've seen the entire series like four times. So I'm excited to do this thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:10

Yes, we are we are happy to have you. Thank you for being with us.

SPEAKER_03 1:13

Thank you for dealing with us. But okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:19

So he has an idea. He's gonna do a podcast about our podcast and just point out all of the things that we fuck up on.

SPEAKER_03 1:27

That sounds like you you have a very busy podcast. You get a lot, you got a you have tons of information to to work with.

SPEAKER_02 1:37

Oh, I have to apologize too because it's gonna be really hard for me not to spoil the entire series. So I'm just apologizing. Uh it's just so many parts, like with the aliens. I can't. Oh, I just I'm so sorry. It's gonna happen. I'm sorry. I'm apologizing.

SPEAKER_03 1:54

You know, the way I feel about the show thus far, okay. You can spoil it for me. Lisa won't might not like that though.

SPEAKER_04 2:02

I'm gonna I'm gonna have to put my um my mouse hovering on his mute button.

SPEAKER_02 2:08

Wait, do you not like the show?

SPEAKER_03 2:10

I am not, I mean, I don't hate it.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

Yeah, I can't.

SPEAKER_03 2:14

But I'm not in it.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

I listened to the last episode. I was very disappointed. I was like, I don't even think she likes it.

SPEAKER_04 2:18

I know, right? I mean, I don't I will never understand.

SPEAKER_02 2:23

Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 2:24

Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 2:26

Uh are you gonna kick me off the club now? Um, well, she would since you were like late, quote unquote, she already fired you and hired me. Uh that's what happened. I don't did you I thought she texted you.

SPEAKER_03 2:38

I support that message. I'm okay with that.

SPEAKER_02 2:41

She really hates this show.

SPEAKER_04 2:46

So, what moment from the first season stood out to you enough to want to put up with us today?

SPEAKER_02 2:54

So, my moment from the first season, and actually it may be my favorite moment, maybe in the history of television, something that I never forget, I think about all the time, is the bearded man on the raft, and he says, We're gonna have to take the boy. It like haunted me. The scariest thing, I had no idea what was going on, and I and I pause and look just like Michael and Walt, like, what'd you say? And he goes, The boy. What are you talking about? We're gonna need the boy. So, like everybody in the world, immediately you think about like weird child exploitation things, like what are they doing? So it terrified me. Like, why are they getting this boy? Like, what are you talking about? Like, you don't want the men or money, or what's going on? He's got that creepy beard. I'm sorry, maybe I'm going too far. Let me let me stop, slow down.

SPEAKER_03 3:46

Uh we have the what the fuck faces.

SPEAKER_02 3:54

I can see you, it makes me feel really bad. Like, wait, is that what's that's just me? It's not like we're gonna have to take the boy.

SPEAKER_04 4:03

Child exploitation, I don't think has ever come into my mind.

SPEAKER_02 4:08

Wow, what did you think? They were gonna like go play tic-tac-toe or something.

SPEAKER_03 4:12

Well, considering like 600 episodes prior, like Walt was special. You know, so you know there was something going on, Walt, and it wasn't child exploits. Yeah, that didn't come into my mind.

SPEAKER_04 4:26

Although, although officially Agnes hasn't seen, so maybe that is what they want him for. Wing Wink.

SPEAKER_03 4:31

I mean, technically speaking, I'm like fine. And I have no I have no comeback. Shutting up.

SPEAKER_04 4:39

No, but uh yeah, that that moment was like it was just like this happy moment where you think, oh, and they're like, oh, we survived the planes, plane crash, and he's like, well, ain't that something? But here's the thing, and the whole scene just comes crashing to the to like what the fuck.

SPEAKER_02 5:00

Exactly. Before that, they like are getting out in the rap, they're playing that music like they're gonna be saved, you know, the boat's going away, there's you know, the little radar thing, and then it's coming back, and they're like, Oh, it's coming back. They're all excited and stuff. Uh Sawyer has his gun, so he thinks, you know, if these are creeps, I'm gonna take him out. It does not go that way at all. Uh so I think before, well, background, because you made me realize why I felt it was creepy and nobody else did. Here we go. I actually did not watch Lost from the Beginning. When it first started, I think might have been 2005. I thought it was gonna be a really good show. People were saying, Yeah, we already saw this, it's like Gilligan's Island. I was like, this is clearly not like Gilligan's Island, but that's what people thought. And I was like, I want to see that show, but I'm in school, I'm busy, I don't have the I don't have time to watch TV. So I only saw the season finale. I had not seen anything before that. I just tuned in for the season finale. So this is my first time seeing the show, and I was hooked, and that was my first big moment of like, what the hell is going on in this show? And uh that's where I started.

SPEAKER_03 6:01

That kind of makes sense now.

SPEAKER_02 6:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I didn't know what was special until like years later. If you were still on the show or whatever, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 6:11

So with that mouse, Lisa.

SPEAKER_04 6:14

Yeah. How long after you saw this episode did you see the rest of the first season?

SPEAKER_02 6:21

Yeah, I had to think about that for a while. I think it was 2010 when I saw the rest of the first season.

SPEAKER_04 6:27

Oh, damn.

SPEAKER_02 6:27

So I was like through maybe season four before I saw season one.

SPEAKER_04 6:32

Holy sh.

SPEAKER_02 6:33

And it was amazing to watch it that way, though. Like when I went back and saw season one, I was like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 6:39

To be fair, I don't think like I think there was TiVo back then, but it still wasn't as easy to stream and go back. And like if you missed the episode, you kind of just you you missed it.

SPEAKER_02 6:49

Well, here's the deal. My uh girlfriend at the time actually had it on DVD, and I just didn't watch it because I just I'm one of those people like I'm I'm moving on now. I'm on season two. So and she made me watch it actually, and I went back and oh, it seems to spoil this stuff that I can't say. What I can say without spoiling anything is that there are things that that happened later that you don't even know had happened already because I didn't see it, and you're gonna be like, Oh, this is oh, that's what owl. So it was a lot of that, and it was really cool. I but I can't tell you because it tells you things.

SPEAKER_03 7:26

Okay, Lisa has been doing this to me for weeks now, months now. Like, remember the scene. I'm like, I'm gonna remember the scene what four seasons ago, but okay, I'll try.

SPEAKER_02 7:40

Yeah, lost nerve. I'm not very good at that, actually. I'm better at the big picture. I never remember like little details. Like, remember he had on that watch, and you're like, what?

SPEAKER_04 7:54

Yeah, like the um the episode where Claire goes to see the psychic in the first season, and at the beginning, Locke is in the jungle and he's got the tarot cards and the same lamp as the psychic. And I'm like, who the fuck noticed this shit? Like remember, but it was because I read it on the wiki. You bought yeah, yes, and I was like, I never even noticed it, you know. Like some some people notice things, and I I give them a lot of credit because I don't know how they do it.

SPEAKER_03 8:24

I'm pretty sure that some of these things are just reused props, and then like 10 years later, people be like, Well, look, there's a connection there. No, they just reuse the same props, it's not that serious. I have all the answers, and I will not spoil it, but I I can definitely tell you everything. Oh my god, you're killing me. So you could definitely come back every so often and just like dig the knife deeper.

SPEAKER_02 8:51

I listened to the last episode, and on the last episode, I I won't say it, but you said something, and I was like, the writer.

SPEAKER_04 8:59

Wait, wait, wait. Wait, was it Deis or was it numbers?

SPEAKER_02 9:03

Yes, it was Deis, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:04

Well, what part was it? Don't you don't have to say what was wrong, just say what part, because now I'm curious. Uh I can't.

SPEAKER_02 9:10

It's it's basically like what we were just talking about. Like, what does this mean? Why would the writers do this? Why did they think that? What it was something like that. And I I know exactly what the answer is.

SPEAKER_03 9:20

Go back and listen to the podcast. Well, I should not go back. I might actually go and listen to it now. Yeah, she refuses to listen.

SPEAKER_02 9:28

Oh, you one of those. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 9:30

I hate the sound of my voice with the deep-seated passion. So if I was to listen to it, I would never record again.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

Well, I I was that way, and it took me, I had to get over it. I was like, dude, you do this now all the time. You gotta just love this ugly voice.

SPEAKER_03 9:45

That's what I got Lisa here for. She's the producer and the writer.

SPEAKER_02 9:51

Did you know that Lisa was uh Japanese American and uh French Canadian? We talked about that before the show started.

SPEAKER_03 9:57

Yeah, apparently. Ha! I've I've noticed that she was I've known it since we were eight, and I kind of missed that part, Lisa. My feelings are hurt.

SPEAKER_04 10:09

Well, so he um to your yeah, so he was guessing my nationality. Apparently, I'm Japanese, American, and French Canadian. It's news to me too, so that's oh, oh, I was wrong.

SPEAKER_02 10:23

Oh, never mind. I'm so sorry. Oh, so close. Oh, so close. Oh close. Okay. All right, anyway. I'm sorry, I'm taking your show down another.

SPEAKER_04 10:32

No, no, no, no. This is fun. This is fun.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

I don't think it goes down any lower than what we brought it down to.

SPEAKER_04 10:37

It's it's a very loose format.

SPEAKER_02 10:40

Do we continue talking about the moment, or do you want to talk about the episode, or what do you want to talk about?

SPEAKER_04 10:46

We can talk about anything. We haven't we actually haven't recorded for this episode yet.

SPEAKER_03 10:54

The three seasons, the three episode season finale. We didn't record yet.

SPEAKER_04 10:57

We were okay, yeah. We were actually supposed to record it today with another guest, aka my husband, but then he went and drove to Florida. So interesting. Very interesting. Does he know about the apocalypse? I think he might have heard. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_02 11:17

Okay, cool, cool, cool.

SPEAKER_04 11:18

Yeah, so we um so we were we watched the episode, so she knows the episode. Um we just haven't recorded it yet, that's all.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

Well, then I have questions for Agnes, is what the screen says. Uh what what is your guess? What are your thoughts about my creepy bearded perverted man? Like, who is he? Why is he there? Why is he taking the boy? And uh is it all connected? What's going on?

SPEAKER_03 11:46

I mean, he's obviously one of the others.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

Um, you think the others exist? Okay, continue.

SPEAKER_03 11:51

I mean, okay, you know what?

SPEAKER_04 11:54

Oh, you guys go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 11:56

Um I'm good. I'm so upset that I was late because I didn't get a chance to go downstairs and get my wine. So that's I need my wine now. Thank you. Okay, so um, I think there's some I think there's something, I don't know, supernatural or a combination of Danielle losing her mind and actually hearing things. But she's heard people say, she heard the other say, We want the boy, we want the boy, and then boom, two scenes later, they grab the boy. Um, how do you know that she wasn't in on it? Oh, I hate you and I hate Jamar. I hate you both.

SPEAKER_02 12:35

This is fun.

SPEAKER_03 12:36

I hate you both. I see I see a pattern in the future. My interest has gone from 96 down to 95. Keep it up.

SPEAKER_04 12:46

Um But I love you.

SPEAKER_03 12:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's all okay. So, I mean, she Claire was kidnapped for her baby, so it's obviously something to do with children. I don't know. Walt that you're gonna have to get the camera fixed by the time we get this next go around. I won't go. I'm just listening.

SPEAKER_04 13:07

That's a logical explanation, at least. I mean, that makes more sense than child exploitation. I mean, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 13:15

Or she's just leading you away from the truth, which we'll whatever, it's fine.

SPEAKER_04 13:19

Or that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:22

I don't know how to talk about this with somebody who's never seen it. I just want to tell you everything. Let me I'll just call you later. Just do that. Yeah, do that. Call me. I can't take it. No, this is good. It's that's very cool. So there's others, and I haven't watched this first season either in uh ten years or no, seven years. So I don't even remember it that much. Uh oh. In this last episode, they also had the dynamite and they're trying to like get into the hatch thing, right? Is that in this episode? Yes. Or am I talking about season two?

SPEAKER_03 13:55

No, this is the one.

SPEAKER_02 13:56

Uh do you think they're getting in and what's in there?

SPEAKER_03 14:25

Well, in case you understand, refresh your memory, they actually opened it, and you see the staircase leading down to um what's down there? I don't a lab, a scientific lab that they built. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 14:48

So you think maybe what what are the odds of like the others are in there hanging out, you know, smoking weed? I don't know. What do you think? I don't know what they're doing in there.

SPEAKER_03 14:58

Having a drink. You know what? I didn't even think about it. Oh, I think losses got me so fucked up. I'm like, I I I'll I'll find out when I see the next season. I uh I give up trying to figure out things.

SPEAKER_02 15:11

Sorry, you probably talked about all this stuff, but I'm not usually on the podcast, so this is interesting to me.

SPEAKER_04 15:16

No, we have we not not just yet. Not just yet.

SPEAKER_02 15:19

Okay. What about the the smoke monster? Maybe the smoke monster's in there. What did what is the deal with that thing? It's like black and it's what is that?

SPEAKER_03 15:28

Well, the smoke was from the bonfire, and then the monster. Oh, oh right, right, right, wait, wait, wait. I don't remember now. Uh they do the the the dynamite down, I think I went to a poof of smoke. Um, yeah, didn't think about that one either. I knew I was like, okay. You just interested no, it's not that I'm not interested, but there's just so many possible I was like, I can't, uh my brain only has so many different functions, and this is yeah, I was like, let's focus on what let's focus on these characters and I'll keep the smoke monster in the back of my head. But I don't know, but I'm pretty good with big once I digest it, I'm pretty good at digesting outlandish. She has good instincts. There's a lot of- Well, I know, I've listened. I can't I just don't want to say anything.

SPEAKER_02 16:15

I've listened. Yeah, no, no, no, okay.

SPEAKER_04 16:17

There's some some episodes that we record, and I'll and I'll try to prod her. And I'm waiting for her to say something like really outlandish or logical almost, and she'll say something completely opposite, but totally on the right track.

SPEAKER_02 16:32

And I'm like, Oh, I know.

SPEAKER_04 16:34

What the fuck? Like, how did you know that? But I can't let on that she's right. There you go.

SPEAKER_02 16:40

Okay, yeah, I get that. I get that. I've been like that with other shows, not with this one, but with other shows, though.

SPEAKER_03 16:48

Right. This one, this show has pretty much, you know, I'm a little weary. I'm not I'm not confident of my skills with this show because you're just like, what the fuck? But um, and then you over here, like, hmm, interesting. You're really fucking with my head.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

I don't want you to guess the show.

SPEAKER_03 17:05

I mean, I could definitely be like just go through Wikipedia and just read all the episodes.

SPEAKER_02 17:11

You could do that.

SPEAKER_04 17:12

Yeah, you'll have everything in a minute.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

Yeah, I haven't.

SPEAKER_03 17:16

Uh I've been a good girl.

SPEAKER_02 17:19

So at the end of this uh episode, yeah, I know, right? Maybe she knows everything already. And we're both the fools.

SPEAKER_04 17:25

No, sometimes I really think so because I'm like, wait, have you watched a head? She's like, no, I'm like, okay. She told you.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

I can barely watch what I have to watch. Now I might watch ahead. I'm like, oh, another website. Oh, that's fair because you probably like live and do other things too. You can't just like watch lost all day, every day, and study.

SPEAKER_04 17:42

Yes, let's go with that. Do you want to let him in on your secret?

SPEAKER_02 17:48

Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_04 17:49

What secret? Which one? I have your busy life.

SPEAKER_03 17:53

My real oh, you mean my real name? Oh, okay. I thought you already know my real name or something. No, no. No, I mean it's it's no, I don't have a life. I I don't have a life. I am retired, I am on disability, and I have tons of time to watch TV, unfortunately. I'm just not that into Lost. Could you stop saying that?

SPEAKER_05 18:19

Does it break your heart and does lines?

SPEAKER_02 18:22

I don't know. Well, I'll hold, I'll tell you this though, which kind of sucks. This first season was only good to me because I watched it after other stuff. I don't think it's the best season at all. Not only is it not the best season, but the show becomes so different. It's not the same show.

SPEAKER_03 18:41

In that case, we have hope. I don't believe you.

SPEAKER_02 18:45

Oh yeah, oh yeah. Legit, it's a totally different show.

SPEAKER_04 18:51

Yeah, the first season doesn't even pick up until like the second half.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

And then speaking, right?

SPEAKER_04 19:00

Yeah, well, yeah, they there's a lot of foundation to lay. And then once you get to the second season, it it just it goes. I mean, there's a few episodes here and there that are, but you know, I think that once you get to the second season, it it definitely picks up. And it and like I said, it it kind of turns into a different show.

SPEAKER_03 19:20

Okay then. All right. I just have one disclaimer. If anything happens to Vincent other than old age, I'm I'm gonna stop. I'm done. I ain't watching anymore. Don't worry about Vincent.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

Oh, that's a better way to say what out than what I was gonna say. I was gonna blow it. You're good at this. She she's been trained.

SPEAKER_04 19:41

Okay, so what about what about when Vincent was um swimming to the raft? Okay, that killed me. I think oh he missed it.

SPEAKER_03 19:51

That killed me. I was ugly crying.

SPEAKER_04 19:54

I was like, ah oh my gosh, you had emotion. That's a wrong finger. Oh this one?

SPEAKER_02 20:04

Wait, what this one's better.

SPEAKER_04 20:06

Oh, it was a right finger.

SPEAKER_02 20:07

Yeah, what figure did she want?

SPEAKER_04 20:09

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 20:10

It just she's looking for a thumbs up.

SPEAKER_04 20:13

Yeah, maybe. It was the angle, I guess. I didn't see uh-huh. I don't know. Maybe I have to have the glasses off.

SPEAKER_02 20:20

Um, in this episode, the um at the end, back to my dude on the boat, they shoot Sawyer. It looks like they might have even shot him twice. Uh he goes into the ocean. Uh, what's his name? Michael goes into the ocean. I guess Jin goes into the ocean.

SPEAKER_04 20:36

We don't even know where Jen went.

SPEAKER_02 20:37

Yeah, I don't yeah, I don't think we saw it. But then they burned the raft. Uh or they set it on fire or whatever. Yeah. Soft cocktail. What happens to the the other men? We know where Walt's gone, but or kind of.

SPEAKER_03 20:51

Uh I think one, I think they're pretty, I think they're closer to the island that they that they think. And by I don't know, by midway of season two, episode one, they're gonna end up back on the island. No way. He said they were 15 miles out in water. That's the ocean. Yeah, at least right. But that they said that during the daytime, right? Right. You think they circle back?

SPEAKER_04 21:20

Okay, so you want to know something? I'm gonna flip at your head right now.

SPEAKER_03 21:24

No, no, all right. Um fuck am I having to watch the next season all in one day? Keep it up. Oh, is that a challenge?

SPEAKER_04 21:38

Or a challenge, like an imitation? Like, what are we doing here?

SPEAKER_03 21:41

Well, you know, are we a threat because you don't want me to watch ahead? Then everything's gonna be all fucked up.

SPEAKER_04 21:47

Well, then we could do spoiler chat.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

You're gonna do spoiler chat from a show from 10 years ago?

SPEAKER_04 21:55

Relatively. I mean, listen, there's a whole new generation of people who haven't seen this.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

I know that I try to get people into it just so I have other people talk about it with yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:06

Uh um from doing the podcast, I've gotten two people into the show. They were like, I never watched that show. I was like, really? They're like, Yeah, maybe I'll check it out. Okay, oh my god, this is so good. How did I never watch it? Basically, the response that I get from everyone but Agnes. This is what makes this what makes that podcast so interesting. Interesting. Trying to convince you every week.

SPEAKER_03 22:30

I mean, if we both totally love the show, how interesting would our podcast be? I think it would be awesome.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

Well, Agnes, what are your favorite shows if you don't like the greatest show of all time?

SPEAKER_03 22:44

Oh, well, you want to know about recent shows? You want to talk about shows? I know.

SPEAKER_02 22:49

I'm gonna ignore that little I'm gonna ignore the shade. Um I would say the last 20 years. Whatever. Oh sh shit.

SPEAKER_03 22:58

That's a lot of TV. It is. My god. Oh, I oh, I okay.

SPEAKER_04 23:06

Let's break it down. Yeah, how much a favorite drama?

SPEAKER_03 23:12

Um, I was a scandal. Oh, House of Cards.

SPEAKER_02 23:17

Oh, okay. All right.

SPEAKER_03 23:18

House of Cards. Yeah.

unknown 23:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:21

Did you watch the last season?

SPEAKER_03 23:22

I did because I was die hard for it, but I watched it just to finish it out.

SPEAKER_02 23:28

It was still bad. I couldn't still bad.

SPEAKER_03 23:31

I just I had to do it because you know you you you've come I've committed all this time to it. I just have to see how to end it. If it wasn't gonna be the series finale, like the end of the series, I probably would never have watched it. But I'm like, okay, I gotta see how it ends. I gotta see if they just lay it to bed.

SPEAKER_02 23:50

Maybe I'll try again. I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 23:54

But yeah, Claire, was that her name? Claire. Thank you, was my um favorite character in the whole show.

SPEAKER_02 24:01

Yeah, she's a good character.

SPEAKER_03 24:02

She was awesome. My favorite part on that, I think the whole series was when the wife of one of the candidates asked her if she um regretted not having children. And she goes, Do you regret having them? I was like, Yes! Like I was like, shut her down. Oh yeah, okay, so and I think that was for the drama. That's probably my favorite drama. I think that's sitcoms. I don't watch sitcoms anymore. Um I'm I'm the drama girl now. Um stop. Let me oh wait, for 20 years? That's easy. 20 years will and grace. That's I'm I'm die hard with and grace. When I had an employee, he was my jack to my Karen, and we bumped bellies. Um, yeah. And then and also, yeah, and then all my I have all my gay husbands because straight men don't love me anymore. Um, so yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:09

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 25:10

I can't so yeah, well and Grace.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

Okay, yeah, that's got one of my favorite scenes. I'm Grace Adler. I design. That's one of my favorite things in TV. Google it. This is Grace C. I'm sorry, I did that again. All right, let's back to the show. What kind of lost things do you do?

SPEAKER_04 25:28

Okay, no, wait, wait, wait. No, let's let's talk about your favorite shows. Me?

SPEAKER_02 25:32

Yeah, putting me on the spot. Oh, I just wanted to know because there's this one great show, and you're like, oh I was just curious. But those are good shows. Okay, it's good. Okay, I just want to make sure you weren't one of those people that dislikes really popular things.

SPEAKER_03 25:47

No, no, no. I like popular things, I like unpopular things. I like what I like. All right, I'm special that way.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

This isn't video, though. No, it's not video. You don't you don't put up the video, okay?

SPEAKER_04 26:01

We um we actually have them, some of them on YouTube, but they're private except to the top Patreon subscribers.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 26:13

So it's your call. I mean, we can put it up there publicly or not. If you want it public, like especially um that you have your own show, we can do that.

SPEAKER_02 26:24

Oh, for me, for this show.

SPEAKER_03 26:26

We can make it public so you can share it on your show.

SPEAKER_02 26:29

Oh, yeah, yeah, I'll share it all. You know, whatever you want me to share.

SPEAKER_03 26:34

I can see okay. So we have a really bad habit. Um, go ahead. We take things and twist it and sexual windows, so yeah, you didn't you didn't listen to the that's what she said episode.

SPEAKER_02 26:51

Actually, I didn't, but uh you referenced it in the last episode I listened to, so I totally get it. It was a lot of stuff. Yeah, I heard it.

SPEAKER_04 26:59

You can um you can get a picture and just put like a profile picture on your Zoom because nowadays, like with everybody's social distancing, um, all of my online meetings are on Zoom, and so people just have profile pictures if they don't want to put their video on.

SPEAKER_02 27:15

Oh, yeah, I was thinking that I need to figure that out. I'll do that.

SPEAKER_03 27:19

Um, totally out there. Go back to other questions. My favorite show right now billions. Billions.

SPEAKER_02 27:26

Oh, I have not watched it, but everybody talks about it.

SPEAKER_03 27:29

It's fucking awesome. It's fucking awesome because Lisa, like axe, like one of the he is like this type, a money guy, and is so sexy. It's just he just he exudes sex. Oh, sexy guy, I gotta watch it.

SPEAKER_05 27:48

I gotta turn it on right now.

SPEAKER_03 27:50

Yeah, and then the the the other guy's wife is a shrink that works for Axe, and she is like not give a no fucks giving like sexy back. Like it's all but yeah. Okay, no, but his name is Axelrod. So they call him Axe, like his bigger. Really? His name is Axelrod? No, like the last name is Axelrod. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 28:12

The last name is Axelrod. I get hired, okay. I was like, what?

SPEAKER_03 28:18

Okay, back to the damn plane.

SPEAKER_04 28:24

As somebody else who's into this show, whose favorite moment is in season one, any words of wisdom or advice that you would give to Agnes going forward?

SPEAKER_02 28:40

Oh, yeah, that's a question for me. So, uh I would say keep an open mind. Stick with it. Each season brings something uh new and special, and you just don't know which season might be your favorite.

SPEAKER_03 28:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 28:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:59

I'm looking forward to being surprised. I really do want to like the show. I really do, and I don't hate it. Well, that's good. Don't hate it.

SPEAKER_02 29:10

I'll tell you, my favorite season is season four. So, like, season two was good. It got me into it. Season three, I actually did not like, but a lot of people do. But season three, I was like, eh, boo. And in season four, I was like, oh, oh boy, oh wow. So I would say, and it was worth it. From that point on, it was they were guns blazing.

SPEAKER_04 29:29

So I I feel like the different seasons kind of have different themes without without trying almost. Like I don't want to get too much into it, but um, because I don't want to ruin something, but I feel like there was an there was an overall theme of what season two was about. There's there's a different focus.

SPEAKER_00 29:52

And season three has a different focus. For sure.

SPEAKER_04 29:56

And so I think that that's why season one tends to fall flat because there's no contrast, there's no context underneath it. It's just a bunch of people getting to know each other and set up an introduction for sure. Mm-hmm. Laying the foundation. But one of the cool things about the finale is that it sets up how much all these people have changed. And I think that it's important to see the growth and and how far they've come, not only as individuals, but as their own little community.

SPEAKER_02 30:31

I don't want to cry again. I've already done it three times about the show today. You gotta stop talking. You gotta stop talking. Let's stop.

SPEAKER_04 30:37

And I can say that him and I both agree that watching some of these scenes in hindsight is actually more emotional than watching them for the first time.

SPEAKER_02 30:46

Far more. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:48

Okay. Okay. Got two big babies on my hands. Okay. Well, yeah, because I mean, after the things blows up and everybody dies, and oh shit, did I say that out loud?

SPEAKER_03 30:59

You pulled the beat. It didn't work, Lisa. But nice try.

SPEAKER_04 31:04

Yeah, but knowing who's never gonna see each other again and who dies and who's this, and that was the biggest thing.

SPEAKER_03 31:11

I uh it's not spoiling, but I turned on the show and was like, that dude, oh, I forgot he oh, and he died, and oh as long as Vincent is okay, that's all I care about.

SPEAKER_04 31:24

Him and John Locke, they live forever, don't worry.

SPEAKER_03 31:27

And and ever and stop fucking with me.

SPEAKER_04 31:29

And Vincent's a girl, just so you know. I mean, the the dog who plays Vincent is a female.

SPEAKER_03 31:37

Oh, okay. Oh, okay. I mean, why? Did she get pregnant? Like, I'm trying to forgot how is this? Okay. I don't know. Is there another dog on the island? Oh my god, wait, what?

SPEAKER_02 31:51

Oh, there are uh I got one more question. I know you I heard you talk about it a little bit, but uh I realized watching it this morning that I still hate Jack. He's still the most annoying thing I've ever seen on television. He was just talking, and I was just like, oh, I forgot about you. And everything he says and the look on his face, he kind of feels like superior and leader, but he's all broken and condescending. I'm like, and I was just so mad every time he opens his mouth. Yeah, I forgot. Like, and and uh, you know, they all have some growth during the series, and it wasn't no comment. You just commented uh listening to uh things he said in this in these episodes like uh huh, won't you see what you say in season four, buddy? If you do, I don't know. Um, and then the other thing I would say too, I should have said this in my little thing to you, at least because I I was hardcore on the internet, like starting with C's and threes, just like all the boards and all the guests and whatever, all that stuff. Um is that most people's favorite character has not been introduced yet. Maybe the top two favorite characters are not even on the show yet. So, like nobody was talking about with the people that everybody falls in love with, you haven't even begun to see this show.

SPEAKER_04 33:14

Okay, I I definitely know who one of those are. The second one I have a feeling, but I'm I don't want to say.

SPEAKER_02 33:21

Yeah, it's interesting because every time I read these lists and stuff, oh man, it's an episode that like uh I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. About I'm gonna go watch this show all day today. Nah, I need to. I'm I'm out, I'm out.

SPEAKER_04 33:35

That's it. We're gonna we're gonna have to do a separate spoiler chat, you and I.

SPEAKER_03 33:39

So I can so can we have you on like midway through each season?

SPEAKER_02 33:45

Like everyone once a season?

SPEAKER_03 33:48

No, like two, three times, like every couple episodes. Because you can't spoil it for me, but you know, I don't think I could wait a whole other season without you. Well, that's nice. That is really good.

SPEAKER_02 33:59

Yes, yes, is the answer. Yes, of course. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 34:06

Yeah, that was my plan. It also wasn't asking you, I was kind of telling you.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

No, it's been a lot of fun, and I didn't realize I was gonna like the show like that. Like, everybody tries to get me to watch it again. I'm like, I'm not watching Lost Again, and then after watching three episodes, I'm like, I gotta watch that.

SPEAKER_04 34:22

I just don't understand how any normal person can just not get sucked in and want to keep going.

SPEAKER_03 34:30

Hello, Lisa. Have I ever said, hey, I'm acting as I'm normal? No, I've never claimed to be normal. All right, my mistake. Part of my charm. Yeah, just go with it. Just nod your hands.

SPEAKER_04 34:46

Not and smile. Not and smile. Yeah. This was fun.

SPEAKER_03 34:52

It was loads of fun. I mean, even though I'm just looking at a great blank thing there.

SPEAKER_02 34:57

This is so unfair. I'm totally looking at you both. This is great. Uh no, this is fun. That was won't be for like this. This is great. I'm gonna have to take the boy.

SPEAKER_04 35:09

Um, what wait? What's what's that show where oh where he's like, this is great, this is great. Oh, what's that from? Now it's stuck in my head.

SPEAKER_02 35:22

I don't know, but that sounds familiar.

SPEAKER_04 35:25

Probably a show I haven't watched. It's from Fraser. It's from Fraser when when when they he has the fan club come to his house and the guy's taking pictures. I think.

SPEAKER_02 35:36

I have seen that, and I think you might be right.

SPEAKER_04 35:38

I'm sure and the guy's like, this is great, this is great.

unknown 35:42

Okay, forget it.

SPEAKER_03 35:45

All right, I'm just a little scared now.

SPEAKER_04 35:48

I like Fraser. Anyway, I downloaded the Fraser Living Room 2 for my Zoom background. I have a problem.

SPEAKER_02 35:57

Fraser went off the air when in like late 90s?

SPEAKER_04 36:00

No, um in the early 2000s.

SPEAKER_02 36:04

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 36:05

No, wait, wait, maybe. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 36:07

I'd have to Google.

SPEAKER_04 36:08

No, it was definitely past the 90s because um Fra um Cheers was on from the early 80s. And I want to say both Cheers and Frasier were like 11 seasons long.

SPEAKER_03 36:20

Frasier was it started in 1993 and it lasted 11 seasons. Yep, the last one was 2004.

SPEAKER_02 36:31

Oh wow, that is that's longer than I would have imagined, but I'm not shocked either.

SPEAKER_04 36:34

Yeah, because he he's one of like the longest TV characters.

SPEAKER_02 36:37

Yeah, but you have to think about it.

SPEAKER_03 36:38

I just saw that the other day before it's still almost 20 years ago. Like, you don't think I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:43

It's like it was yesterday, right?

SPEAKER_03 36:46

Like they're like, oh, this the 90s was like 40 years ago. Like, yeah, no, oh shit, it really was 30 years ago. Mm-hmm. That makes me sad. But you still look good. Okay, so when people want to age me, I feel bad about my age. I was sitting in the doctor's waiting room, and me and this other woman were talking about I don't know, stuff in high school and stuff. And the the woman goes, Oh, but I'm a lot older than you. And I was like, I said, Oh no, because my 25-year reunion is coming up, and he's you know, her daughter turns around and looks at her and says, Mom, you look, she was, she looks way younger than you do, and uh, but it was so matter of fact.

SPEAKER_02 37:32

That's super awkward.

SPEAKER_03 37:33

I was not, yeah, I was just like, I gotta go. Because I was like, Yeah, what do you say? I felt good about it, let me tell you. But her daughter truly played her, and she just sat there like what did you say? Because she wasn't trying to be shady, she was just no nine-year-old, ten-year-old, just being like, hey mom.

SPEAKER_02 37:55

What kids do?

SPEAKER_03 37:56

It maybe feel awesome though. I gotta don't look at me with that tone of voice, Lisa. I know, random. I am a bit um full of randomness. No, it's cool. Yeah, no, it's not.

SPEAKER_04 38:10

It's the little, it's the little things we have to keep us going.

SPEAKER_03 38:14

Did you tell him about my theory about where they actually were?

SPEAKER_04 38:18

Um, no, you tell him.

SPEAKER_03 38:21

Okay, so I think they were all they were on one of the islands off of Samoa. I don't know if it's Samoa or the American Samoas, but the little island in between Samoa and American Samoa, I think that's where they were. Okay, okay, yeah. I I yeah, don't ask me why, but I pulled up, I pulled up uh she even sent me a screenshot of a map.

SPEAKER_02 38:45

Really?

SPEAKER_03 38:46

Yeah, because I have no life.

SPEAKER_02 38:47

Of course, not at all with me seeing all the seasons. If I do know exactly where they are, I just don't want to say anything.

SPEAKER_04 38:54

You know what? But but wait a minute now. Do you know exactly where they are?

SPEAKER_02 39:00

Do I?

SPEAKER_04 39:01

Do you? Because, you know. I don't know. Do I? Do you? That's that's what we can say.

SPEAKER_03 39:07

Because does anybody I don't I'm gonna should both know?

SPEAKER_04 39:13

Oh, I almost really slipped up. I'm so sorry I caught it. You caught now you caught what I mean, right?

SPEAKER_02 39:18

Oh, I was oh I was about to say something. Yeah, okay, so yeah. I was gonna say something, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You shouldn't have said anything.

SPEAKER_04 39:25

Sorry, my my bad.

SPEAKER_02 39:27

Yeah, yeah, you almost blew it.

SPEAKER_04 39:29

I almost I didn't blew it, you did. Well, uh well, you you you landed the path.

SPEAKER_03 39:34

Considering I stopped listening, you didn't blow shit. It's okay. Because actually, you're gonna replay your reaction to you catching yourself and loop. Because that was good.

SPEAKER_04 39:51

All right, no, but we know we know that they're clearly somewhere off of the like close to Nigeria because there's like the Nigerian small plane can't travel that far.

SPEAKER_02 40:01

That's what they yeah, that's what they said.

SPEAKER_04 40:04

You know, the little yellow plane that is on the ground.

SPEAKER_02 40:08

Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_04 40:09

Okay, those planes can't travel that far, and it came from Nigeria, right? They found the Nigerian money, so it's gotta be close to Nigeria.

SPEAKER_02 40:18

Right.

SPEAKER_04 40:18

Not necessarily. Why not?

SPEAKER_02 40:21

How else would the plane get there?

SPEAKER_03 40:22

No, I'm just saying it could have I'm just saying they could have made extra amount of stops. Like that plane might not have that plane might not have originated from Nigeria. We gotta shut up Nigeria's like on the it's on the west coast of Africa, isn't it? Right. So they would have to go across Africa all the way to yeah, no. So people that that definitely made no sense, Lisa. Okay, all right. All right, I'll shut up. Okay, I think I hear sarcasm in that. I hear some sarcasm there. I hear sarcasm.

SPEAKER_02 40:58

I can't comment.

SPEAKER_03 41:00

I'm gonna mute you both. What else? I'm just along for the ride. I just work here.

SPEAKER_01 41:09

Yeah, I'm just staring at my microphone now. I'm that was that was my moment. You that was it.

SPEAKER_03 41:14

I think what was your favorite episode from season two?

SPEAKER_04 41:19

Okay, okay. How about if you if you have a favorite moment from uh episode from season two, you can give us the title of the episode.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

If you oh I don't I don't know, no, I don't know the titles.

unknown 41:29

All right.

SPEAKER_02 41:30

If I looked at them, I might remember like, oh, but nah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 41:33

Yeah, because only Lisa, only you know that much. No normal person can tell you some because numbers would be one, because it's kind of obvious.

SPEAKER_04 41:44

Oh, you know what's a good episode? Trisha Tanaka.

SPEAKER_02 41:49

That is an episode I don't remember what happened.

SPEAKER_04 41:51

Uh okay, forgot it.

SPEAKER_02 41:53

Yeah. Another look.

SPEAKER_04 41:54

It's a hurley episode.

SPEAKER_02 41:57

Oh. Oh, I okay. I know who that is now. I know I know where they are now.

SPEAKER_04 42:02

Yeah. So you can remember some of them by the name of the episode.

SPEAKER_03 42:07

Some like, well, are you Googling it?

SPEAKER_02 42:09

Whatever, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:10

No, I'm not. I'm checking my messages. Um case you didn't tell. I I keep my phone on do not disturb all day long now.

SPEAKER_04 42:19

Okay, so Jamar, I'm gonna ask you a question, which something that I have been kind of going back and forth with. We are about to start recording for season two. So, as somebody who has seen the show and is familiar, do you think it's worth it to do season two, episodes one and two as one episode or two? Do you know where I'm where I'm coming from?

SPEAKER_02 42:46

I actually do, yeah, for sure. That's what I was about to say was my favorite, but it's only my favorite because it's what it is. Anyway, uh, yeah, I would do that.

SPEAKER_04 42:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 42:55

I would do that.

SPEAKER_04 42:57

Cool. Yeah, I I didn't, I obviously I couldn't ask her. I could cur. Okay. Anything to make the process go faster? You know me. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_03 43:15

All right. I thought you were good when you were starting off that question. I thought you were going to um offer him the job officially while I was on on the conference call and book me out.

SPEAKER_02 43:29

I have a question for you. How do you feel about replacing her?

SPEAKER_04 43:36

It might be coming. That call might be coming sooner than later. Look at her.

SPEAKER_02 43:41

No, I've listened. You were like, you're old friends, you have a thing going on, you get it, uh, you got a vibe. I I'd tear it up. I'd really destroy this whole thing.

SPEAKER_03 43:52

Lisa, you should agree with him on that. Oh yes, absolutely. I it was a pause. It was a really awkward pause.

SPEAKER_04 44:02

No, I absolutely agree. There's there's no doubt in my mind.

SPEAKER_03 44:06

See, Lisa, I don't know about the apple fritters and the banana bread when you come. I don't know. I can make that for you now.

SPEAKER_04 44:13

Um, okay. So I think that that will do it for this episode. Unless there's anything else.

SPEAKER_02 44:24

Oh, you can't see me, so I would say no. We're like, ah, I was like literally making lunch in the kitchen. I was like, oh, I'm sorry, let me go.

SPEAKER_04 44:33

That's fine. That's fine. Where can our listeners find you?

SPEAKER_02 44:37

Oh, that is awesome. Uh, I am everywhere at Jamar Duron, which is my name, and I'm going to spell it. That is G-E-R-M-A-R, Jamar. Last name Duron D-E-R-R-O-N everywhere. So Instagram or Facebook, you can add me. Uh, what else do I do? Twitter, uh, all that stuff, Snapchat. But I guess most importantly, the website is looktothecookie.org. And that's that.

SPEAKER_04 45:05

Yeah, and and so we'll link, yeah, we'll link everything.

SPEAKER_03 45:07

Because I was late. Because I was late, what is look into the cookies about?

SPEAKER_02 45:13

Like uh so uh no no no, it's good. Looktothecookie.org is a uh like pop culture website, although lately, since I'm not getting paid, it's now become like a personal site. But uh every TV show, movie, politics, uh race, culture, whatever you won't want. I got a podcast, I've had a few different podcasts, I've had a bunch of different contributors, uh, there's articles and and all sorts of stuff, but that's what it is.

SPEAKER_04 45:44

Yeah, yeah, so definitely go check that out. And like I said, we'll link everything in the show notes.

SPEAKER_02 45:50

So thank you.

SPEAKER_04 45:51

Yeah, absolutely. So this has been a lot of fun with us. Yeah, and we're um I'd like to do this again. So if you're up for it, we're up for it.

SPEAKER_02 46:01

So you just have this uh, you know, the world's ending. Uh what else am I doing? Like I I'm not going to work. Might as well watch Lost and have a glass of wine. Exactly. Of course, thank you for having me on. It was a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_04 46:15

So until next time, everyone, I'm Lisa. And I'm Agnes.

SPEAKER_01 46:20

Oh, I'm supposed to say I'm Jamar.

SPEAKER_04 46:23

When in Raw.

SPEAKER_03 46:25

We don't know if you really are since we can't see you. Right. I'll take your word for it.

SPEAKER_04 46:31

And we are out of here.

SPEAKER_05 46:36

I like that one.

SPEAKER_02 46:44

I should have listened a lot, because now I kind of want to watch it after watching three episodes like this morning. I was thinking like, I should watch the episodes, listen to your podcast, and then do a podcast about your podcast. Here's where they were wrong.

SPEAKER_04 46:58

No, that's hilarious. And if you did that, I would listen. Uh and I would be like, and if you want to see where we fuck up, go listen to this too.

SPEAKER_03 47:08

At the three minute mark, she says that hurly, but actually, I think his camera's working and not working intentionally, but that's just my thoughts.

SPEAKER_02 47:19

Maybe I broke it, just my face.