JAMming with Julz and Michelle

SPEAKER_01 0:00

We are oh okay, I see it. There you go.

SPEAKER_02 0:03

We're recording.

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Someone's recording. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:09

No who I'm Lisa from Sass and Sips, and we are here with Michelle and Jules from Jam. Jules and Michelle, and Agnes is with us too. Hi. Hi, everyone. Hey.

SPEAKER_02 0:33

Hello, it's Jules and Michelle.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

Thanks for having us. So this is just a little informal meetup between ladies. Everyone is under quarantine because of the whole coronavirus thing going on. So this is our social life these days. So just to check-in, seeing how you guys are doing, how you're holding up, what are you doing to keep sane while you're, you know, just staying at home? Anything good on Netflix? Like what's going on?

SPEAKER_02 1:12

Well, I've actually been working from home. Luckily, very thankful that my job is still allowing us to do that. Um, so from eight to five, it's like a normal work day. I'm just at home on my computer all day. So that keeps me busy. Um, Netflix, I mean, I think I've gone through all the shows that I was watching. So I just restarted watching the vampire diaries. I don't know if you guys have ever seen it. No, I haven't.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

Well, um, we know as ladies who do a loss podcast, we know, well, I know that Ian Summerholder is in it, who is on Lost. So that's all you need to know. Sorry.

unknown 1:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

I have to see it actually. On my end, um, I'm actually studying real estate. So I've just been doing that, and then I'm doing my master's online. So that's been keeping me busy. And I have a puppy, so I have to walk in like all the time, and that's basically what I'm doing. Also, I watch stuff on Netflix, but nothing that's been like too interesting. I'm trying to think of what I just finished watching. Um, have you guys girls?

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Watch what I love good girls. I'm gonna try to get Lisa into good girls.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

Yes, I love it. It's so good.

SPEAKER_00 2:21

No, I haven't watched it yet. Um you have to because it's onto where I'm like, oh my god, what were you thinking? Shoot him with the head.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

It's so so good. I think the third season is out now, but it's on TV, it's not on Netflix yet.

SPEAKER_01 2:36

Oh, damn, it's uh it's on Hulu, I think, Lisa.

SPEAKER_02 2:39

Oh, no way.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

I think I saw it on Hulu.

SPEAKER_02 2:42

Maybe because usually, like, when they air it on cable, like like the next day it's on Hulu and you have to like keep waiting every week, but at least we can start watching it.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Right. Well, I don't work, I am on I I'm retired and on disability. So this whole quarantine thing is my everyday life. Rub it in. Nothing's changed. Rub it in. I just have my friends that are at home too, so I could harass through the day.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

That's it. Nothing's changed. What about you, Lisa? Um, I actually just finished The Tiger King, and that was one hell of a train wreck of a show.

SPEAKER_02 3:21

I have not seen it. I refuse to like follow the crowd right now. Maybe I'll do it later when it dies down, but was it good?

SPEAKER_00 3:29

It it was just like a what the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 3:32

That's what it looks like.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

I I I listened to the podcast maybe about I don't know, about six months ago. It was called Joe Exoti. Lisa, you listen to the podcast, it's code Joe Joe Exotic. And I'm I only listen when I'm driving, and I'm literally like, what the fuck? Like every 10 minutes. Looking at the I can't tell you the accents I almost got into because I was somebody like, what the fucking? Um the fucking and it's so bad, it's good.

SPEAKER_00 4:05

And I've been watching Riverdale a while ago though.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

That was really good.

SPEAKER_00 4:10

I'm not up to date, but I started the first two seasons, I think. I'm on the third. I don't know how many seasons there are, but I'm on the third, so I think they're in the fourth one now.

SPEAKER_01 4:19

It's nice to watch it this season because they just it's just going too slow. I'm like, I'm done.

SPEAKER_02 4:24

That's why I stopped too. It like it lost my attention.

SPEAKER_01 4:27

I yeah, and then with Luke Perry passing, I'm like, yeah, I really have no reason to watch it anymore. But that's from my childhood, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

Yeah, so so we're significantly older than you guys. Um speak for yourself. You you're older than me. Let's remember. I don't care you ladies.

SPEAKER_02 4:49

One month, one monthly.

SPEAKER_00 4:51

Oh, wait, I have I have on my shirt. Can you see? Damn, I make 40.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

You know, you make 40 look good. What can I say?

SPEAKER_02 4:59

How did you guys meet each other?

SPEAKER_01 5:01

Third grade. Third grade.

SPEAKER_00 5:03

No way, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:04

Yes way.

SPEAKER_00 5:06

Yeah, yeah, we've been friends forever, for like 30 years, literally, at this point.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

At least 10 years. What are you talking about? Yes, I was the new girl in school, and she was the only person, my only friend. And yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

But you moved the following year.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

But I came back.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

Yeah, forever. Um, yeah, so we grew up watching like Beverly Hills 90210.

SPEAKER_01 5:38

The originals.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

I yeah, I saw like the remake.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

Okay, the remake wasn't so bad.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

It was it was I've never seen the original.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

I think that's available. You can stream that one if you want to go like watch like it's on Hulu.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

It's on Hulu, yes. I try to get my kids to watch it and they're like, what the hell is this? Like, I'm not doing this.

SPEAKER_02 5:58

I'll try it. I have nothing else to do, so there it is.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

Yeah, I don't know. What do you guys drink for fun? What do you drink?

SPEAKER_02 6:09

Do you pour my fridge right now? Um, right now I only have um a 12 pack of coronas in the fridge and then two bottles of wine, red wine, uh, and a red blend. Oh, and I have vodka. I need champagne though, because I've been craving mimosas and I think it's I support that message.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

I saw something on Facebook, it was mimosa margaritas. I was like, yes. Mimosa margaritas? Yes. I didn't read what how to make it, but just uh mimosa margaritas. Amazing. It's all I needed to know. And I'm like, I'm there.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

So I have a confession. Um, last night as we were binge watching the Tiger King, my husband brought up snacks to bed, and you know, we were kind of sitting in bed watching and whatever. When I woke up this morning, this was in my bed.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

Okay, that's a love affair that I approve of.

SPEAKER_00 7:03

I woke up next to a bottle of wine.

SPEAKER_02 7:06

Oh, so it's me like every night. It's a regular I love Merlot. Um, I also have vodka, I like Siroc. Um, I saw something on I think it was Facebook or Instagram called a quarantine. And it's um like vitamin powder with vitamin Catha, possibly, and then orange juice. A little bit of orange juice, and then I don't even know what else was in it, but they like did on the rim instead of sugar or salt, they put um vitamin C powder.

SPEAKER_01 7:35

So I thought that was cute. I just like the regular old margarita and I'll drink by myself at home. So I'm good.

SPEAKER_02 7:44

Saving a lot of money going out and spending drinks, though. I know for sure. We've been saving a ton because we usually go out all the time, like basically every single weekend, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

So we're so I remember those days. I never paid for drinks, so it's like the it was a win-win. I don't know what the guys are doing these days, but it was we get our way into the RPC.

SPEAKER_02 8:08

Yeah, but uh bottle service, like everyone.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

But it's risky, they're creepy.

SPEAKER_02 8:12

I know.

SPEAKER_01 8:13

That's the that's the problem. Either they don't want to do anything or they're just creeped.

unknown 8:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

There used to be a better quality of guys where they're like, yeah, we'll buy you drinks. We missed out. Yeah, that's okay. Make your own money, buy your own drinks, and then buy it at the club. So you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 8:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:39

Um Lisa, what are you doing to keep yourself entertained?

SPEAKER_00 8:43

Hibernating in my room away from my children. And snacks. I have chips over here too, and a box of bear heads. I've eaten so much ice cream cookies, John. Snacks in my I have three girls and snacks in my house, it they're like savages. It's like I've never fed them. I mean one day and and it shit looks like a bear came through. How old are they? Thirteen, twelve, and six. Yeah. Yes, I can hear you. You saw far, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:24

How's everything going in New York though? Because I know it's definitely crazier over there.

SPEAKER_00 9:30

Yeah, it's it's strange, you know. Um like when you look outside, there's no traffic, which you know, is is already like problem one.

unknown 9:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:43

And um there's a lot less people out, but there's still people. So I was joking with someone and I was saying that New York during quarantine probably looks like many other cities on a regular day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:59

Because there's still people, but it's still um I mean you know, for somebody who's lived here, it's it's it's empty, you know. Um the last time that I saw it looked this strange was on 9-11. Yeah. I mean, my husband still has to work. So I took him to work last week and it was like Monday or Tuesday, and I had to drive him into the city. We're driving down Park Avenue and there are no cars. And it's noon, and it's just even at 3 a.m. you're gonna find cars, you know what I mean? So it's strange. You've got people who are on both ends of the extreme. Some are I don't know, I guess kind of taking their precautions and stuff. They've got the gloves, they've got the masks, whatnot, and then others are just going about their lives. So true New York fashion.

SPEAKER_02 10:57

I think that's everywhere. I mean, like same here. There's people who are still out and about.

SPEAKER_01 11:02

Where are you at?

unknown 11:04

Where I'm Florida.

SPEAKER_00 11:04

Where's West Pop?

SPEAKER_01 11:05

Florida, okay.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

Okay. Yeah, I have family in Florida, but they're um they're closer to Orlando. So they're just like hunkered down at home and you know, just trying to limit their I don't know, contact with the outside world. I don't know how else to say it, but but it's strange. Um it's just strange because there's only so much you can do in the house without having that urge to go out and how do you satisfy it? How do you you know, how do you do your civic duty and stay home when you have to stay home, but then satisfy your need for creativity, for entertainment, for social interaction and you know it's very hard. It's strange.

SPEAKER_02 11:56

Yeah, it really is.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

I spent today because we finally got some sun. And I I went I played in the garden. I cut down last season's dead um stems. I mulched. I was like, okay, I did my, you know, I played with the squirrel, I talked to the squirrels. You know, there was really this no white kind of shit going on. Um it was I was like, I make myself sick. But um I did that. It actually helped because the last last two days we had no sun. It was I got back to cold again. And I was like, I it's one thing like not leaving the house when you don't want to, and another thing when you just can't. Yeah. Getting up there, I was like, oh, I want to get the trash out. Like it was just the stupid things that I was like, ooh.

SPEAKER_02 12:44

Yeah, well, just like walking my dog is great because they can't really stop us from doing that. But as of Thursday, they're not allowing flirtings to go out unless it's for um like emergency reasons. So it's like pick up medicine or think to get food, and then that's about it. But it can't be anything at all that's like social whatsoever.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

Right.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

So they just decided to do that on Thursday. But I've just been able to go outside. I live on the water, I live near the um intercoastal. So I walked downstairs, it's really pretty. It's obviously always sunny here in Florida, so we're good with ever since this quarantine started, it like it's been beautiful, like just the beach skies, like barely any clouds, and of course we can't go out and enjoy it. And we live right next to the beach, like so.

SPEAKER_00 13:37

Over here, it's been we've had a couple of nice days, 60s, 70s, even sunny. It's like I I wish, and then it's followed by like 40s and raining.

SPEAKER_03 13:51

Same here.

SPEAKER_02 13:52

Oh gosh. So I guess it's okay that you're inside because it's not as if you're gonna go out anyway. For us, it's more because it's such a beautiful day out, and we can't really do anything besides walk with to go inside.

SPEAKER_00 14:02

Yeah, yeah. I'm in the same boat with you um with the dog though. So she has to go out a few times. So that's about the only thing that gets me out of the house these days.

SPEAKER_02 14:13

Yeah. I mean, I don't think they can stop us from doing that because that's obviously something that's a necessity. Right. We're gonna have to walk our dogs, but other than that, we're really not allowed to do anything anymore.

SPEAKER_00 14:24

What kind of dog do you have?

SPEAKER_02 14:26

He's a mix. I rescued him. He's like Pitbull, Rottweiler, and Bulldog, but I think he's mixed with a few other things. He's so cute though. He's barking.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

Yeah, that's cool. Mine is uh mutt also, um, pit mix, bunch of other things.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

I'm surprised she's not there looking at you right now.

SPEAKER_02 14:48

I know.

SPEAKER_00 14:48

I locked her out of the room since I'm sitting on the bed.

SPEAKER_02 14:51

I know, I did the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 14:54

Usually she's right next to me. She's my shadow.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

Yeah, same with him. He's always with me at all times. He always has to have his paw on me or be just somehow sitting on me. And he's so big too, he thinks he's little. But he'll sit like right on my chest, or he'll sit right on my lap on my head. I'm like, you're not little anymore.

SPEAKER_00 15:14

No. So when all this is over, where are you looking forward to going?

SPEAKER_02 15:23

Um doing it away. I'm looking forward to going out and dancing because uh that's like my favorite thing to do on the weekend. And right when this is over, I just can't wait to go out. That's for me. What about you guys?

SPEAKER_01 16:04

I just would get out the house. I don't know what else I want to do. Like, I'm like, do I buy a plane ticket? Do I just jump in the car and go somewhere? Like, I don't know. I just kind of was I was gonna like wing it, fly my seat in my pants, and just do something. Figure it out. Lisa, one day I just might knock on your door.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

Okay, I'll give you the code. You don't even need to knock.

SPEAKER_01 16:25

You know what the funny thing is? Knowing you, you're probably probably each other on the I-80.

SPEAKER_00 16:33

Yeah, we've we've been looking at the plane tickets and just how cheap they are, and it's like, where where are we going and when? Because this is such it's like a cruel joke, you know. Gas is cheap, plane tickets are cheap.

SPEAKER_01 16:48

Only thing that makes it a little bit better is that because of the lack of fares, there there's no non-stop flights. And so like a two-hour flight is now like seven or nine hours.

SPEAKER_00 17:00

Chicago is non-stop. Didn't you see my message?

SPEAKER_01 17:03

Midway. Midway is like a three-hour drive for me. Okay, well, whatever. I know, okay. But okay, and then I have that means I have to like park my car there. Okay, enough about that. We'll work about logistics later.

SPEAKER_02 17:19

Yeah, I just want to go to the beach, I wanna go shopping, I want to go to the gym. Those are my top three.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

You know what, Lisa? I want to go to an outdoor cafe and eat. Like I want to go, I want to go outside.

SPEAKER_02 17:33

Brunch, french, number one. That's one, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

Yes, brunch, a liquid, liquid brunch. Yes, and Uber that ditch. I have a very bad mouth, just in case you haven't noticed yet. That's fine.

SPEAKER_02 17:49

We love it.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

Part of my charm, it's very ladylike.

SPEAKER_00 17:55

Uh I don't know. What do you guys think?

SPEAKER_01 17:59

You don't know what you want to do?

SPEAKER_00 18:00

I don't know. I just want to not feel like I have to. You know, it's like I'm good staying home until you until you have to tell you you have to, right. Right.

SPEAKER_02 18:12

I don't know. I'm chilling. I feel so peaceful not interacting with people. Because we do it for so long. I'm just tired of being like, oh, I don't have to go in the office and like say hi to everyone and make conversation, like just wake up, do my thing at home, and that's it. Yeah, it feels good and I have to be yeah, but obviously, I mean another week and I'm gonna like go insane. She doesn't really like being as social, she's more introverted, but I'm more extroverted where I love being personable and I love talking to everyone. So and I'm like, get on. Yeah, so it feels like it's America. I'm a really nice person though. I'll talk to you. It's just what I want.

SPEAKER_01 18:55

Let's keep it superficial. I worked in retail for 20 years and I'm like, oh my god, you're so nice. And I'm thinking, no, I just pay to be nice, or no, I really don't like you. It's my job. So yeah, not being able to, I don't have to be nice. It's free. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 19:17

Really I'm nice.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

You seem nice, like you know, but the fact that you don't have to be, yeah, at least it makes it more genuine when you are nice, and it's a little freeing.

SPEAKER_00 19:28

Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah. I okay, so my day job, I work with kids. Um, I oversee an after-school program, and we have over a hundred kids in my program, and I love them, and I I miss them, and I almost would rather be there having to deal with each and every one of their problems than home with my own. And I know that that sounds horrible, but it's like the four of us have been in the house together for this is now week three starting, and it's like I can't wait for them to go back to school. Yeah, even even if that means I have to go back to work. I mean, I've been working from home, but I don't mind being home, but like being home with the kids the whole time, that's the real test of my patience. Because fight and Agnes can attest to this, they fight like nobody's business.

SPEAKER_02 20:28

Like what are their ages?

SPEAKER_00 20:30

13, 12, and six.

SPEAKER_02 20:32

So that yeah, that's definitely tough. And especially with school for the six-year-old, I feel like, yeah, the other two, like 12 and 13, you can kind of be pretty self-sufficient. But for the six-year-old, like, how is that going? Are you having to help them online with school?

SPEAKER_00 20:48

Yeah, every morning I'm teacher as well as making them breakfast and then doing my own work stuff. Um it's it's crazy. It's a like it's nice to be able to like stay in your PJs all day and you know, do day drinking, but then at the same time, it's like I'm not cut out to be a teacher. I I've realized this already. I'm not cut out to be a teacher. And so it it's like an hour in, and I'm already like, oh my god, I need to walk away from you. I can't tag out. Somebody, somebody come get this child because I'm like, I need a break. Mommy needs a timeout. I can't, I can't do this.

SPEAKER_02 21:30

Yeah, and there's a lot of parents that really cannot like haven't even had the education that are able to help their kids do it. You know, like obviously you're able to do it, it's just you don't want to, but some people really can't. And it's sad because a lot of those kids are home and they're not getting the education they should be getting.

SPEAKER_01 21:47

I find the problem with at least at least in I contemporaries, they teach differently now than when we were in school. So all of my friends are having problems with the new math and the core. They're like, Yeah, no, I'm teaching how to carry the one. We're doing this old school style. So I have that same problem, like, no, we're gonna reteach this body anymore. So I it's not it's like I'm childless, and I'm like, okay, this is awesome. Um yeah, I'm just gonna time.

SPEAKER_00 22:23

And I work in a program. program um where the kids have all this stuff you know that they they bring me their homework they ask me for help and I work with an education specialist who's actually a third grade teacher so she helps me when I don't know so that I know how to teach them and I'm still like this stuff is crazy. Let me teach you how to do it my way because it's so hard. It's so we don't need counters and and and core curriculum and whatnot like let me just teach you how to carry the motherfucking one like it's done.

SPEAKER_02 22:59

You know like you're not gonna be trying to balance your checkbook or whatever and just be like okay well let me get my counters and let me make a 10 and no it's it's I don't understand how that easier I don't understand that but with we digress like it boggles my mind I don't know I can't even think about you use that and call it a day exactly because when I remember we're in school they're like you're not gonna have calculators when you're gonna when you start working meanwhile back at the farm on a little device I just tell all my teachers like um you're ready right I just want to email and FaceTime you on my phone now but yeah um how about like food stuff and you know all the people who are trying to be over prepared what's your take on that did you stock up on toilet paper yeah I mean I have everything stocked up ready to go but um I have a lot of frozen food but I think I need to do another run to Publix this week just to make sure I'm set. Because since now we have the more like lockdown aspect on Thursday I feel like I want to just make sure I have everything for the week that's not frozen that's something more fresh food. So I think we're gonna go tomorrow and then maybe go get another bottle just in case a bottle of liquor because I don't know if liquor stores are going to close on Thursday as well since that's not technically essential. In New York it is in New York it is I heard that but I didn't know if that was just uh media it's essential New York it's essential in Wisconsin when I'm at so yeah well you the grocery stores have tons it has like a whole section of liquor so the grocery stores and liquor stores are the same shit so for us ours are separate and we have different that's so interesting.

SPEAKER_00 24:52

Yeah in New York it's separate also but I have a friend who works at a liquor store and she was complaining because she's considered an essential worker and she wants to be home with her daughter. Right I know it's crazy that that's like actually really essential but listen it makes sense for sanity you know yeah for the sanity so I I don't know if if you guys ever see the memes where they show um like people in Florida when a hurricane is coming and the people in Florida are like going and they're grabbing water and um bread and food and and you know like things that are really important and they're like this is hurricane preparation sandbags whatnot and then they show people in New York and they're buying like tax cigarettes and bottles of liquor okay but listen to be honest.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

That's how we prepare for a hurricane you guys don't get like hurricanes like we do.

SPEAKER_01 25:45

We do get not as often yes but we do get I still say we I'm not living there anymore but most of the Eastern most of New York is most of Jersey it's a lot of apartment buildings so we don't have to get sandbags we don't have to get those kind of things and most of the people don't drive so we're like it is what it is why is going on oh um I'm not going anywhere so right I'm in a high rise apartment drink and smoke and have a good time drink and smoke and have a good time I like that like you gotta like because where are we gonna go? Because that was my problem I lived in New York I didn't drive I live in the high I lived in an apartment I'm like okay I'm good it is what it is nothing I can do about it. Right grocery shopping here in Wisconsin is actually okay so granted there's no toilet paper there's a couple stores that still have some but I don't see people buying like six seven packages everyone's buying like one of two packages I'm like that's so polite like everyone's like hey how are you doing I'm like please don't talk to me I can't get sick six feet away like signs everywhere at the store is like don't take more than two and like the cash people won't let you take more than two but this the signs here say oh there's a limit but they don't tell you what the limit is so it's just people being polite I'm like wow that's different people over there are just polite for the fuck of it and it's weird. Okay so yeah I have a thing these people here are very nice it's a little it annoys me sometimes like I just want to buy milk I don't need to know about your neighbor's cousin's uncle like I don't care well because I oh I got sick I got I became disabled and then my mother was sick so I just packed the family up and we moved here to be closer to other family.

unknown 27:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 27:44

Uh yeah that kind of was that hard for you guys to do the podcast since you're not together physically no because I think because we use um Skype and we do it like this anyway so it works out pretty damn good.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

I don't think at least when we lived well I lived on the East Coast I don't think we saw each other this we didn't see each other as often as we see each other now.

SPEAKER_00 28:08

So and we only lived like what 20 minutes away from each other.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

Yeah like hey whatcha doing nothing all right I'll see you in six months.

SPEAKER_02 28:22

But um audio wise it's a little off when we do it over the phone or when we do it with anchor app. Do you guys use anchor as well or do you use another platform?

SPEAKER_00 28:32

We use Buzzprout. Oh okay so we've we've tried um several yeah so then we just went back to Skype and you know Skype it's been okay you know it it has like that that mechanical kind of sound I don't know if I'm saying it right but you know here and there but I mean for what it's worth it it's working for us.

unknown 29:00

That's good.

SPEAKER_01 29:01

And it's funny that I used to do Zoom when I had um work and conversations I don't know why I didn't think about it when we saw the podcast because I love Zoom.

SPEAKER_02 29:13

I don't know why so yeah Zoom is awesome Lisa we can we could yeah thanks thanks for the tip we can we can try it now this is like my third time using Zoom I'm so new at it but everyone uses it and it I mean it seems pretty easy pretty cool so yeah actually about it so yeah um you guys had told me about it and I had just um downloaded it but I had never used it and then I even used it this morning for um a work meeting and I was like oh look at this everybody's thank you to hear the rest of the conversation head on over to Jules and Michelle's podcast the link is in the bio