LOST Born to Run

SPEAKER_01 0:11

Exactly. I guess it's time we talked about this.

SPEAKER_04 0:34

Hi, and welcome to this episode of Assassin's Sips. Every week we watch another episode of Lost and we drink and we dish. This week's episode is Born to Run. We are your hosts. I'm Lisa. And I'm Agnes. Welcome.

SPEAKER_01 0:54

What are you drinking today? I'm sipping on tea today. A special tea. See before seeing you want to roll your eyes and get sassy. And you didn't wait for the punchline. I'm gonna share my tea with you.

SPEAKER_04 1:08

That's funny. I have a special tea also. I have a certain brand of lemon tea, and it has lemon vodka inside of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:18

Awesome. Mindest I do a little hot tea today. So that way the alcohol gets infused into my body that much quicker. Ooh. I got like a zoom in of your shirt. Girls love. So she leans back further. So I can see girls love. Girls love a diamond. Yeah. And that's the Jankees diamond. Yeah, I love that diamond.

SPEAKER_04 1:43

In flashback, a young blonde-haired woman pulls up at a motel. The license plate on her vehicle says Nebraska, but the woman quickly changes it to an Ohio plate from an assortment stashed in the trunk of the car.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

So before we before I forget, kinda interesting that this episode starts off in a flashback.

SPEAKER_04 2:08

Grabbing a towel and shampoo from the maid's cart, the woman enters a room that has just been made vacant, adding a do not disturb sign. She puts dark hair dye on her blonde hair. As she showers, she is revealed to be none other than Kate. As the excess brown hair dye runs off her hair in the water. At the hotel's office, she picks up a letter under the name of Joan Hart. Okay. Keep that.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

I know for later. I caught it. I caught it. I did. I realized today why sometimes I miss like a couple things here and there. My little show notes, I type them in on my phone. So I think that's why I miss a couple things here and there. I'm down on my phone typing in my thoughts. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 3:02

So like I have sometimes I have to pause because otherwise I miss shit too.

SPEAKER_01 3:08

I learned my lesson today. But go ahead. But I did catch that.

SPEAKER_04 3:13

As Kate reads the handwritten note in the car, she begins to sob. At a hospital, Kate walks down the hall carrying a large bouquet of flowers. She poses as a delivery girl, asking to see Diane Jansen. On her way to the room, she sees the sheriff and uses the flowers to cover her face. Kate leaves the hospital without giving the flowers to the patient she wanted to see. In the hospital parking lot, Tom Brennan gets into his car only to be surprised by Kate, who was hiding in the back. She tells him that Diane is dying of cancer and she needs his help. At Tom's house, Kate looks at the family photos on the refrigerator as Tom speaks to someone on the phone about needing to book the MRI scanner. After finishing his phone call, Tom talks about his son and wife, and Kate seems upset that Tom is with someone. He promises Diane will get a scan in the next few hours, so they have a little time to kill until then. In the moments that follow, Kate comments about whether it's still there. Though Tom is reluctant, Kate says they may never have this opportunity again. The pair drive out to a bare cattle field with a huge tree engulfing the landscape. Here, they count steps from the tree and begin to dig. Sometime later, Tom offers Kate a beer as they continue their dig before they manage to hit metal. Kate pulls out a box and inside is a time capsule with a number of childhood objects, including a red baseball cap, a baseball, and Tom's favorite toy airplane. You recognize the plane, right?

SPEAKER_01 4:58

I yeah, I got all of this. And I'm yeah. And some time and still I got more at the end of the episode, some things were answered, but I still have more questions. Yeah. Which I think was a point. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:11

They also find a tape recording, which they play in the car, recorded on August 15th or 815, 1989. There goes the number again.

SPEAKER_01 5:23

Number again.

SPEAKER_04 5:24

Young Tom and Kate comment on how they will be married when they find the capsule in the future. And also about running away together. During this, young Kate additionally mentions that Tom knows why. She always wants to run. The tape is stopped and the two kiss. Pulling away, Kate apologizes to Tom and says they better get to the hospital. So there's like a little foreshadowing there. At the ward, it becomes apparent that Kate just wanted a moment to see Diane in private before her surgery, and she needed Tom's help to do this. With that final time alone together, Kate is reunited with her mother and apologizes for everything she has put her through. Instead of getting a warm greeting, however, Diane screams for help. Kate runs from the room, but is grabbed by a security guard whom she escapes from by hitting him with his own walkie. Tom finds her and the two head for his car. The police have already created a barricade to prevent her escaping. That was fast.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

Right, the whole thing was like, wait, what? And it that way too fast.

SPEAKER_04 6:43

She shouts for Tom to get out of the car, but when he refuses, she drives straight through, clipping the police car and drawing heavy fire from the sheriff. Though they manage to escape, it is not without cost, as Kate realizes that one of the sheriff's bullets has hit and killed Tom.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

Another, like you said, the barricade was too fast, him just shooting randomly into the car. You don't know who's in the car. Like it could have been a hostage. You don't know. Right. So that would that bothered me too. But anyway.

SPEAKER_04 7:16

With little time, Kate is forced to run from the car, leaving both Tom and the toy airplane behind. And not for nothing though, but I've got so many.

SPEAKER_01 7:25

I I just so excited about this whole part. This is the part that got me like, oh, I got some questions answered. Oh, I got some theories, but then I have more questions. Like, do we wait till the end of our episode to talk about this stuff? What do you want to do? I don't know what do you want to do.

SPEAKER_04 7:39

Well, uh, what I was gonna say is that when she's in the hospital, her mother is yelling for help, but Kate never like I mean, aside from holding her hand, Kate never touched her. So, like, why what sparked?

SPEAKER_01 7:54

Go ahead. Uh so it's okay. So this goes back to my question. Okay, we're just gonna talk about this whole Kate part right now before we get so with my show notes. Okay, so starting off, we still don't know what Kate did to be on the run to begin with. Because the bank heist that you think she's on the run form happened after this. Right. Because her hair was blonde. Like you know, in the bank heist, her hair was brunette already.

SPEAKER_04 8:29

Yes, very brunette. To me, the the biggest clue was that the plane was buried in the time capsule. Wait, wait, there's more. They just got it.

SPEAKER_01 8:39

So clearly it it had been buried there since 89. But wait, there's more, right. Then I was like, wait, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because first of all, the first scene starts off with him, she's a blonde. So you're like, okay, and then she dies it. You're like, okay, so this happens before the bank heist. So we're like, okay, that much we know. And the airplane is in the safety deposit box, isn't it? Yeah, I remember correctly, right?

SPEAKER_04 9:03

In the bank height heist. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

So I'm thinking now, how did it get there? Did Tom's widow save his stuff and put in, like, did they break it to Tom's widow's safety deposit box to get a fucking airplane? And then if that's the case, it makes so much sense for her to like this is like her first love as a child. She got him killed, inadvertently got him killed. I could totally see why she would break into the woman's safety deposit box to take Tom's airplane. But I still want to know what did she do to be on the run to begin with? Which may lead to the question as to why her mother called for help. And then I'm thinking has something to do with her father that we don't even hear about her father because not father, it has something to do with her childhood.

SPEAKER_04 9:52

Um, no, sorry, sorry. So I'm trying to follow, like your hands. Oh, all over the place. No, sorry. It's like I could almost see all the red strings going in and out. You need to need a corkboard and some red strings.

SPEAKER_01 10:08

And then you have the okay, so remember the the the tape of them talking as kids?

SPEAKER_04 10:14

If you could see her right now, I have been hoping for. She is in it right now. She is in it.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

I like conspiracy theories. That's the only reason. So the tape that they were recording, and he goes, You always want to run away. She said, You know why. So obviously, some issues in her childhood. I don't know why I want to say a father to begin with. But whatever caused to be on the run.

SPEAKER_04 10:43

Right. Judging by the track record of all the other fathers, it's not a far leap. Right.

SPEAKER_01 10:50

So, based on that, I think that whole family dynamic as her growing up as a child is always something toxic, which preempted her from being on the run. I use bunny ears for those who can't see. You can see everything. Oh my god, you don't want to see me. But you can see the like conspiracy theory aggressive score. So, yeah, that's this this episode. Now I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna say this episode. This flashback had me hype.

SPEAKER_04 11:23

If you guys sign up for our Patreon page, you are gonna see me in my bed, practically under the covers, recording this episode. It's not pretty, y'all. It's not pretty, but whatever.

SPEAKER_01 11:38

That's exactly why they wanted me to see it. So yes, this flashback got had me like, oh. And then Kate on the island, I was like, oh, we're gonna get to that. I was like, oh, I see you. I see you, Miss Kate. So yeah, that was that.

SPEAKER_04 12:00

All right, ready for the island?

SPEAKER_01 12:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 12:03

Okay. Out by the sea, Kate plays with Tom Brennan's toy airplane.

SPEAKER_01 12:10

You know what I say, right?

SPEAKER_04 12:12

In the jungle.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

Waiting for me. My lover stands on golden sands. Okay. I have a song for any phrase you have. Any word, any phrase, I can think of a song. It's like a parlor trick. They should make a they should make a TV show out of a game show out of that.

SPEAKER_00 12:35

Let's call it Ellen. Ellen. Murph Griffin's dead, right? I just Merv should be dead.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

Him, yeah. Unless they have him cryogenics and have his head cut off somewhere and saving it. In cryogenics and have saving him. Um you missed the cryogenic part. Yeah. All you heard was a head cut off.

SPEAKER_04 13:03

I was like, what? Where did this conversation just go?

SPEAKER_00 13:07

I am dark and twisty, but I'm not that dark and twisty.

SPEAKER_04 13:12

Alright. Out by the sea, Kate plays with Tom Brennan's toy airplane. Her train of thought is interrupted by Charlie, who talks about drive shaft and how the raft will save them all. Meaning he can make millions on his comeback gigs. As they watch some of the survivors working on the raft, they witness an argument sparked by another survivor, Dr. Arst. She changed the subject so fast when he started talking about how they were all gonna get ridiculously famous. She was like, So what's going on there? What did you think of Arst?

SPEAKER_01 13:52

He seemed drunk to me. But to be fair, all the best science teachers, especially the ones I've had, all the best ones, a little wackadoo. And I gotta tell you, the wackier the word, this the more I learned.

SPEAKER_04 14:09

Like he he had his science teacher moment with Jack when he was like, and what's the only thing south from here? Very good, Jack.

SPEAKER_00 14:18

I said that that was kind of cute.

SPEAKER_04 14:22

Ars tells the group monsoon season is coming, meaning winds will change southwards towards Antarctica. As the raft needs to head north to reach shipping lanes for a chance of rescue, he says the raft must leave immediately to avoid nature turning against them.

SPEAKER_00 14:40

Yeah, I just said yesterday.

SPEAKER_04 14:43

I I took it as like a um a figure of speech.

SPEAKER_00 14:47

I thought it was funny. It was like, oh, oh shit.

SPEAKER_04 14:51

This news hits everyone hard, especially Kate, who chases after Michael. She wants a place on the raft, contesting Sawyer's spot, and tries to present herself as a better candidate. Michael won't allow it. He says that the raft is full, and Sawyer bought his passage fairly by giving crucial supplies for the first raft's construction. Meanwhile, Saeed leads Jack into the jungle, and with Locke, they let him in on their secret. I know, I know something is coming. Something is brewing over there. Just hold on. The hatch has now been partially dug up, and the three decide they need to discuss what to do next. Alright, you want me to keep going or you wanna stop here?

SPEAKER_01 16:10

Oh, the flying. It's funny. As I was thinking it, Locke was saying it. Jack was like, Why didn't you tell me? He was like, I know, I I don't know, I I uh took orders from you. Like, the fuck? I was like, who do you think you is? But I have more about that Jack's dynamic with other people at the end of the synopsis.

SPEAKER_04 16:32

Sawyer begins to complain about some of the organization and planning going into the raft, irritating Michael. He says maybe Sawyer isn't the right man to come with them, considering he knows virtually nothing about sailing or survival at sea. Further down the beach, Kate is burning the picture off Joanna's passport so that she can use it should the raft be successful and the group is rescued. Sawyer arrives, having ascertained from Michael that she was after his place on the raft. He tells Kate he knows she was the marshal's prisoner on the plane and she will be captured if rescue arrives. But her secret is safe with him and she will not take his spot. He starts to leave, but as he goes, Kate says if she wants his spot, she'll get it.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

This is what Happy like, okay, Miss Kate. I was like, this is the not a single forgiven Kate, and I like this Kate.

SPEAKER_04 17:31

I like the way this episode has kind of changed their dynamic because up to now they've been pretty easy going with each other, helping each other, like getting to know each other. Like they probably know more about each other than anyone else does about either one of them. Like they've probably let their guards down around each other more so than with anybody else.

SPEAKER_02 17:56

Absolutely.

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Walt passes Michael some water as they work on the raft. They talk about what they'll do when they get rescued. Suddenly, Michael stumbles, collapsing, and ordering Walt to get Jack. Walt finds Kate and Son, and Kate takes up the pursuit to find him. At the hatch exterior, Jack, Locke, and Saeed discuss opening it. Said cautions against opening it, says there's no handle on the hatch door, so perhaps it was never meant to be opened from the outside. As the group heads back, Kate catches up to them and tells Jack about Michael's collapse. After examining him, Jack concludes there was something in his water and finds residue of a substance in his drinking bottle, suggesting foul play. Later, when Jack checks up on Michael, he inadvertently reveals the truth to him. A livid Michael immediately suspects Sawyer. However, Hurley also accidentally reveals to Locke that Kate was a fugitive, causing Locke and Jack to argue again about keeping secrets from each other on the island. When they're asking Hurley about it, and Hurley's like, that they argue like a married couple? That's exactly what you said last time. I know!

SPEAKER_01 19:14

I guess I'm perceptive.

SPEAKER_04 19:16

Meanwhile, Charlie plays his guitar to Claire's baby as Claire cuts his hair. He offers Claire a place to stay in Los Angeles when they get rescued. Charlie is so optimistic.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

He's so cute.

SPEAKER_04 19:31

At the caves, Kate inquires after Michael and asks whether his place on the raft is now open. Jack accuses her of poisoning him, and in disgust, Kate leaves. At the other end of the caves, Walt finds Loc changing the bandages on his legs. He wants Loc to know he didn't poison his father. When Locke grabs his arm, Walt suddenly stops telling John not to open that thing, much to Loc's confusion.

SPEAKER_01 20:01

This is Walt showing his specialness again. Wasn't that like alluded to like 600 episodes ago that he's special? So I kind of find that like dun dun dun. And he does it again later on in the episode. See what happens when I'm paying attention? You see? Oh wait, something else we didn't miss with the um we probably talk about doing the flashback, and her name on the letter was Heart, and the license plate was the Heartland.

SPEAKER_04 20:32

No, that's not what I was gonna thought.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

There's another one, but that was an that was another so there's another one because it's like, oh, Heartland America, that license plate.

SPEAKER_04 20:41

Yeah. No, that I didn't catch that, but her name is Joan Hart. And did you catch who played her mother?

SPEAKER_01 20:51

Who was it?

SPEAKER_04 20:52

It was it I don't I don't remember her name in real life, but it's Anne Zelda from Sabrina the Teenage. Oh my god, it was!

SPEAKER_01 20:59

I didn't recognize her.

SPEAKER_04 21:01

Who was played by Melissa Joan Hart?

SPEAKER_01 21:04

Joan Hart. I didn't catch because I because you really couldn't see like I was looking at her. I'm like, yeah, it looked familiar, but not familiar enough. Yeah. Not it wasn't familiar enough to tell who I was. I know that face. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 21:17

At the beach, Michael blankly tells Sawyer he's off the raft, accusing Sawyer of poisoning him. In retaliation, Sawyer openly reveals to the entire group that Kate was a fugitive on the plane. He says Kate only cares about herself and would go to any length to escape. The whole idea that Kate only cares about herself seems to come up a lot.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

But it's quite obvious that she does. That's not true.

SPEAKER_04 21:45

It's all set up to look that way. But then once again, when we get to the end of the episode, we see that it's totally false.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

But I don't think it's set up that way for us to think that she cares about herself. You know what I mean? As the the viewers know that's not true.

SPEAKER_04 22:02

Well, no, no, no, but in this episode, it the whole episode is leading us to almost believe that Kate is the one who poisoned Oh, but I didn't think in order to get a spot.

SPEAKER_01 22:14

Maybe and somehow I didn't think that to begin with. I thought it was too obvious. Maybe. For the viewers watching this, I don't think I don't think the writers intend us to think that she did. It because just watching her story from all her stories, you know, well from the viewers' point of view, like the writers didn't want us, didn't want the viewers to think it was that she did it because hello, we're watching this. We know she didn't that's not in her to do per se. There's more to it. Like on face value, the clue the writers said the characters should think it was about her.

SPEAKER_04 22:48

Does that make sense? Well, yeah, just because the clues kind of point that way. You she's a fugitive, she wants a spot on the raft. She basically threatens Sawyer and says, I want it, I'll get it. She's got the passport ready to go. So it kind of leads you to believe, oh shit, or at least question, could she really have done that? Also come to find out that technically she did. Technically, yes, but it wasn't even for her. And she took the blame. So she did two selfless things, kinda.

SPEAKER_01 23:27

Oh, let's get to the end of the episode. And then yeah. Kate admits of her. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_04 23:35

Kate admits that she was the criminal, but denies poisoning Michael. He won't listen, however, reinstating Sawyer as the fourth passenger. Everyone moves out, leaving Kate alone with her toy toy airplane. Later, the raft is hurriedly being put together to set sail as soon as possible. And Jack approaches Sun. He tells her that he knows she is behind the poisoning, and she had intended to poison Jin rather than Michael. Sun admits everything. She did not want Jin to die at sea and just wanted to make him temporarily ill so he would not go. Jack says her secret is safe, but needs to say goodbye as Jin will be going. So this is this is all it was. Kate helped Sun and didn't rant her out. And like even though they don't really like believe her, like she said she didn't do it, but they didn't believe her, she still never read it out, son re read it out sun.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

I think she helped Sun to help herself.

SPEAKER_04 24:42

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

Like it was a two-bird, you know, it was two birds and one stone.

SPEAKER_04 24:47

But she also never told anyone that it was sun, even when all the heat was coming down on her. Even when they were outing her as a fugitive, she still never said either way.

SPEAKER_01 25:01

Yeah, either way, it even if she did write out sun, it'll come out that she helped sun. It was either way, it was it was a loose situation. Um, especially since the plan didn't work, it really didn't make a difference who did it. You know what I mean? Okay, so Jack he gets to unilately decide what secrets to keep and what secrets not to keep, as opposed to you should have told me Locke about dude, what the fuck are you like I just I just don't like him.

SPEAKER_04 25:30

He gets uh he's just bevery just uh this is a really big theme, and and it's gonna start to heat up.

SPEAKER_01 25:41

With him keeping secrets or him being bossy?

SPEAKER_04 25:45

The whole Jack and Locke J Locke is a kick his ass. But anyway.

SPEAKER_03 25:54

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SPEAKER_04 26:44

As night falls, Sawyer finds Kate, telling her he's back on the raft and will set sail tomorrow. He says he only did what he had to do in revealing the truth because he couldn't afford to lose his place. Kate asks why he needs to be on the raft so badly, and Sawyer replies that there's nothing on the island worth staying for.

SPEAKER_02 27:06

Ooh, burn.

SPEAKER_04 27:10

That was definitely kind of like an insult to her. Yeah.

unknown 27:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:15

Kate drops her hard exterior for a moment and tells Sawyer to be safe as he leaves. Walt and Michael sit by the raft. Walt reveals that he destroyed the first raft. He says he didn't want to leave the island at first. But Michael isn't too mad. He says they can stay on the island if Walt wants, but his son says they need to go. Do you think that why do you think that Walt is saying that they need to go?

SPEAKER_01 27:42

Um, I don't know. I think it has to do with his his um sudden turn of affection with of Locke, him telling him that's open the hatch. And now they have to go. I just remember from a couple episodes back with him his drawing and stuff, and then them mentioning how special he was. Like, I don't know if he sees something, I don't know if the island is telling him something, but he did little dude knows something. He knows it has to do with that hatch, and I think that's what it has to do with Locke opening that hatch, and I think that's why his feeling, his demeanor towards Locke changed.

SPEAKER_04 28:20

Meanwhile, Sun finds Kate telling her Jack knows, but not about Kate's part. The poisoning was Kate's idea all along. Sun says Kate was only trying to help, but the look on Kate's face suggests another agenda. Sun says that she always thought as a child that meeting the man she loved would make her happy forever. As Kate stares out into the dark, she adds, yeah, me too. I think that part was supposed to lead you to believe that it was kind of self-serving. Well, yeah. She wanted to get on the raft as well. Not take soil your spot, but be on it. Be on it. With them. With them. Yeah. Alright, that's the end of the episode.

SPEAKER_01 29:05

So I think I touch upon all my talking points somehow, somehow. Okay, so as a whole, with this series, I'm at 97 degrees. This episode have you at 99. I was like, oh, this is a cool episode. But as a whole, I'm still I'm 97. 97 from 96. Leave me alone. Mind the business. That's where I'm at. All right. All right.

SPEAKER_04 29:42

Let's let's get through trivia and then we'll catch up with anything we missed. The time capsule Tom and Kate dig up is in a new kids on the block lunchbox. We will see that lunchbox again.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

You do realize all this trivia and stuff, and this is a stay tuned kind of stuff. I'm not gonna remember any of this. I hope you're keeping track. You'll know. You'll know.

SPEAKER_04 30:10

Oh you'll if you watch like you did today.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

Ew, ew?

SPEAKER_04 30:19

Are you trying to imply that don't watch? The only good episode. Am I trying to imply things that you have actually said aloud? Yes.

SPEAKER_01 30:31

I watched the other episodes. I just wasn't into it.

SPEAKER_04 30:35

If you pay attention. You even said it. See what happens when you pay attention?

SPEAKER_01 30:43

Do you watch The Housewives? You don't watch reality show. Never mind. Never mind. Clip.

SPEAKER_04 30:50

I didn't talk to you about Diggy.

SPEAKER_01 30:53

No, but no, but anyone who listens anyone if you listen to this and you watch The Housewives in New York, I'm gonna tell that I'm doing the clip. Clip it. Other people will know.

SPEAKER_04 31:12

Alright. An apparent continuity error arises with Arts claim in this episode that they were on the cusp of monsoon season despite the absence of continuous torrential rain in the season finale or thereafter. The producers addressed this on their podcast, stating Arts is an idiot.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

So what so it hasn't been raining?

SPEAKER_04 31:44

I mean it it does rain, but I guess if it's monsoon season, it's like continuous torrential rain.

SPEAKER_01 31:52

But he said every afternoon, I just assume that they're just like skipping over that part. Like, you know, you're not watching the 24-7, so to speak. So I I caught it. I'm like, I haven't seen rain, but they're just not, you know, those scenes don't take place through the rain. I don't know, but okay.

SPEAKER_04 32:10

This episode opens with the introduction of the orchestral piece that will subsequently become Kate's main theme music throughout the series. Each character in the show actually has like their own theme music. There's a lot of people who are actually really into the the music aspect of the show. Oh, they do concerts. Yeah, Michael Giachino does concerts that that are like huge around the world, but there's different soundtracks and different themes. I mean, look, the music is actually really beautiful. I don't know if I'd be I I don't know. Like I'm not I'm not into it like that.

SPEAKER_01 32:51

I'm not doing a lost themed soundtrack per character kind of. Yeah, I'm sorry. But anyway.

SPEAKER_04 32:59

This episode marks the first appearance of Arst and Diane Jensen. Oh, her name is Beth Broderick and Zelda. Okay, so the episode title is Born to Run.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

Born to Run. Kind of obvious.

SPEAKER_04 33:14

Yeah. We see that from a young age she was already that that was already in place. Even on the island, she's still running. In her flashbacks, as an adult, she's running from something. But on the island, there's also a sense of escape because they're trying to leave on the raft. So it's kind of like uh, you know.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

Well, that goes for everybody. I mean, everyone wants to get the hell off.

SPEAKER_04 33:46

Walt warns Locke not to open that thing. The hatch.

SPEAKER_01 33:50

And he doesn't even know anything about it. Right. I I missed that. Dun dun dun.

SPEAKER_04 33:57

Hurley complains there are too many secrets amongst the survivors. How am I supposed to keep straight who knows what around here?

SPEAKER_01 34:05

Because Mr. Jack Unilately decides what's kept a secret, what's not kept a secret. But anyway. But Hurley has a good point. Like, who knows, like there's no organization. Question. You have to answer this for me. Once they realize they're not getting off this bitch, do they have any kind of like unofficial, official organization? Or everyone just still kind of like wild wild west.

SPEAKER_04 34:30

Who said they weren't getting off?

SPEAKER_01 34:33

Well, six seasons later. I mean, they're on there for at least six seasons, at least. You know what? I'm gonna get a bullhorn, like one of those like air horns, man, and just go blow it into the mic. Evil, evil child.

SPEAKER_04 34:51

How about in the flashback, they're digging up a time capsule, and on the island, they're digging up the hatch.

SPEAKER_01 35:03

Ah, interesting. Interesting, I tell you.

SPEAKER_04 35:11

We saw what's in the time capsule. We don't know what's in the hatch. Well, you don't know what's in the hatch. Any new guesses?

SPEAKER_01 35:20

Just rub it in, why don't you?

SPEAKER_04 35:21

We're gonna find out very soon.

SPEAKER_01 35:23

That was my little Yoda impersonation. I didn't even mean to do it.

SPEAKER_04 35:26

Um the wait is almost over.

SPEAKER_01 35:31

Yeah, um, what's in the hatch? Something stored by the other people of Island. I don't fucking know.

SPEAKER_04 35:42

It's not a bad guess, actually. Um I wish I could give you spoilers because there's watching this. Don't spoil. I no, no, I I won't. But it's like I I kind of found like another connection almost. Once you went back and watched it again, you're like, oh Yeah, it's kind of like a similar theme to like what was buried.

SPEAKER_01 36:06

I wondered. The others have placed a recording of directions. I don't know. I'm I'm just a what? Recording. They recorded uh directions for the people who land again. I don't know. Maybe someone who I don't know. Oh, somebody who was stranded there. No. I don't fucking know. I don't know. I give up.

SPEAKER_04 36:29

And what built a shelter?

SPEAKER_01 36:31

Well, I don't know what the hatch is per se. Maybe a part of something that they were stranded with, like a part of a ship or part of, you know, it might have been some equipment that they had on hand. I don't, you know, that's that's what I assumed it was. Something that whoever was there got stranded with. Because wasn't the the the French woman from like a science research team? Mm-hmm. Um, so if it wasn't from her team, I'm sure somebody else was stranded there the same way, possibly. I don't know. Warnings from deserters of the from strandes of the past.

SPEAKER_04 37:06

I don't fucking know now. I'm just like Actually, those are really all fun guesses. One of them was pretty close. Oh, I feel excited.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

Exciting as I am. I'm not gonna tell you which one though. Well, I'll figure out when I watch the episode. Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:27

Charlie's song is like what he said, his second track on the album is Monster Eats the Pilot.

SPEAKER_01 37:32

The pilot, yeah. That was hysterical. And also I start thinking about the guy and like, oh, and how he was in JJ Abum's all his shows. Like, I start like remembering flashbacks of like, and I start thinking about all the shows, and I'm like, oh yeah, I remember this show. Oh, yeah, that show too. Oh yeah, but yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_04 37:50

Okay, one of the biggest questions though that I had after watching this is who sent Kate the letter?

SPEAKER_01 38:01

So I at first I thought it might have been the guy Tom. I thought it was I think like not knowing who it was, but Tom. In the heist and the guy that she was with. The guy that she shot. She caught over that. Wait away. He's like, Are you t he alluded to is this about something? I remember vaguely. So I'm like, well, maybe it's him, but not knowing Tom's name, didn't it just didn't connect? So I thought it might have been Tom. I kind of thought it was Tom too, but he seemed surprised to see her. But I had the impression that it was a drop. Like it's a prearranged drop. That don't know exactly. Does she have a sister or a sibling?

SPEAKER_04 38:52

I have some guesses on who I think might have sent the letter, but I'm not sure if I'm right, or at least if this would be a good guess until we get to that episode and you meet this person.

SPEAKER_01 39:05

Gotcha. We don't know this person is. I feel like she has somebody because she was on the run from something at one point. I think it's someone like whoever it is, is someone that was part of her recent past that's helped her, and then that hotel was that motel rather is a pre-arranged drop.

SPEAKER_04 39:23

Well, right, but I would think also that based on all the license plates in her car, I would think that she's been uh well, maybe not. She okay, she obviously hadn't seen Tom in some time.

SPEAKER_01 39:38

Right, because she got married, had a kid, whatever.

SPEAKER_04 39:41

I would say that whoever sent her the letter is probably somebody who's in contact with her. Right. Somebody that she can call and say, okay, um, send the letter here. Kay is smart. I doubt she would use the same motel twice.

SPEAKER_01 40:03

Right.

SPEAKER_04 40:04

So it's probably like I'd like an update of what's going on, blah blah blah. Please send it here. And then she can go there and pick it up.

SPEAKER_01 40:14

It was keep her updated on life and whatever is going on. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 40:18

If it was Tom, then she'd be aware that he's married and he has the part that was not really lining up for me.

SPEAKER_01 40:29

And I didn't even think about it too much. Like who sent it? I just feel like someone sent, like, I just like okay, pre-arranged drop, and I didn't think it wouldn't like it in it kind of went out the door.

SPEAKER_04 40:40

Or or she does use that motel more than once, and the person who sent her the letter knows that they can just send shit there under a fake name, and or or a series of different hotels with different names.

SPEAKER_01 40:56

Like, I don't know where you're gonna be at, but I know one of these three or four places, these are the names for this hotel, that's the name of this hotel, whatever. It's kind of a like, yeah, a typical drop. That's a regular dead drop. I watch too much TV.

SPEAKER_04 41:11

Yeah, and I think that the biggest thing right now is just the this dynamic between Locke and Jack and this divide where they're just playing Guinness Masmacho right here. Like, you're keeping secrets from me, and you're keeping secrets for me, and why do you get to, and why do you get to?

SPEAKER_01 41:30

Um just whip the shit out already, dudes.

SPEAKER_04 41:38

On one hand, I see where Jack is coming from.

SPEAKER_01 41:41

I do too. I honestly do.

SPEAKER_04 41:43

Jack is the leader by default. He didn't he didn't necessarily sign up for the role, but he accepted the role. No, I I I totally agree too. And and even Locke is like, but they all see you as the leader, and so if they're all looking for Jack to make decisions on their behalf or to keep them safe, then it would be only fair for Jack to get a heads up of what was going on.

SPEAKER_01 42:08

No, I agree too. But um, he's also likes to play the moder. True. Like you can't sit there like take on responsibility and then at the same time play like this is not my job. Like, he likes to play the moder a lot. So I um, yeah, that's the that's how I feel about him. I think if he had more grace and took it on with more responsibility and not begrudgingly, he takes it on begrudgingly when it's convenient for him. When you show him his strength, he's like, Oh, you don't want to tell me these things. So he loses a lot of compassion for me. Yeah. Like I find that with some people's flaws, you understand their flaws and you can work around their flaws and you kind of like them because of their flaws. He's not that kind of person. He's that character is not that character for me.

SPEAKER_04 42:58

But then on the other hand, when this whole thing started with the hatch, it was a small square on the floor, on the ground.

SPEAKER_01 43:07

Right. We don't know what the we didn't know what but.

SPEAKER_04 43:10

And it just grew from that little thing that is like is almost like a nothing thing.

SPEAKER_01 43:17

As they dug and dug, which is kind of symbolic to the whole fucking show. Starts off this small, and as you dig deeper, it gets it becomes one big massive polar bear.

SPEAKER_04 43:30

I don't fucking hatch with God only knows what inside of it.

SPEAKER_01 43:34

Right. Off this magical island. Because listen, this this island's creepy.

SPEAKER_04 43:41

If you were locked, would you have told Jack and when would you have told him?

SPEAKER_01 43:46

I knew you were gonna ask me this question, so I'm gonna have to try to think of the answer. I don't even fucking know.

SPEAKER_04 43:52

Locke gets a little bit obsessive.

SPEAKER_01 43:55

And I think that he has it if I was locked or if I was in locked position. If it was me or am I or if I was locked with the position. Either way, whatever however you feel like answering. I think I would have continued digging until I figured out how what I was exactly dealing with.

SPEAKER_04 44:14

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 44:14

And maybe and yeah, and then was I got a better idea what was what, share the information. Cause I think I don't know if I like it's a little window and there's like a box. I'm like Okay. It turned out to be nothing. So I think I would have just put it out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:29

And I think that he just gets carried away with himself. He gets and he has trusted hyper focused that it he almost can't see the bigger picture. You know, 'cause this is what the island wants him to do and he's just doing it.

SPEAKER_01 44:45

I'm just doing it. Could also be that he doesn't trust anyone on a sense of peon boss. He doesn't take anything serious. You have his parents that that scammed him. Right. So you have a whole bunch of things like that explains why he wouldn't tell anybody until he felt it was you know, I guess I had to. Because when he told Sayed, he didn't have to tell him anything about smacking like hitting the side of the head. He did it because he wanted him to trust him on some level. So I think he would have told somebody eventually when they felt comfortable enough.

SPEAKER_04 45:25

As far as characters go, after seeing another Kate episode, any extra thoughts on her? You got a few more pieces of her puzzle.

SPEAKER_01 45:34

I told you before this cake I like. I like the not a single fuck given Kate.

SPEAKER_04 45:40

Okay, here is something for you to consider. When she got to the island, she was being escorted by a federal marshal because she was wanted.

SPEAKER_02 45:49

Right.

SPEAKER_04 45:49

We saw that in her first flashback with with um Ray from Australia. Right. We technically don't know what she did to be a fugitive to be wanted.

SPEAKER_01 46:06

Correct.

SPEAKER_04 46:07

We don't know when that happened.

SPEAKER_01 46:09

Correct.

SPEAKER_04 46:10

So follow my crazy train of thought here. So in her second flashback, we saw her break into the bank to get the safety. No, uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

Right, right, right. The second, yeah, the first, the second the second one. Right, yeah, gotcha, gotcha, I gotcha. Uh huh. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 46:30

At that point, we don't know whether she was already a fugitive.

SPEAKER_01 46:36

She was. Because okay, so the fact that she okay based on a third based on well, we at the time we don't know. Now we know she was wanted by then. How do you know? Okay, so this flashback obviously happened before the bank heist. And the fact that she had to be snuck in and she's hiding from the serif to see her mother, obviously she's wanted then. And this is and that's happened before the bank heist. So the time the bank heist happened, she was already wanted. Okay. All right, I'll give you that. But wait. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 47:18

We don't know what she's actually wanted for. She could be, but he was a federal marshal. She could have been at that point, she still could have been um so like something clearly happened with her mom.

SPEAKER_01 47:33

And that she wanted she's calling for help.

SPEAKER_04 47:35

So something right that that happened with her mom. And so the local authorities could still be with her. Maybe she was wanted because Tom was killed in the car that she was driving. Like we just don't know what happened. We don't know what the original catalyst was that started her on this trail, and we don't know what happened that got her onto the federal list.

SPEAKER_01 47:58

If there was a but even if it was a simple once she's wanted, the feds are gonna go out and get her anyway. Bank heists are not. For example, once she leaves the state, it's a federal issue. You know what I mean? So the feds are they would have said the federal marshals regardless whether the bank heist precipitated it or the initial issues precipitated it. Like she was a she was a wanted fugitive in fucking Australia. Federal marshals are gonna come regardless. They're not gonna send the sheriffs to get her, you know what I mean? Regardless of what precipitated her thing. What was the point of this? I'm sorry, I lost I lost my train of thought.

SPEAKER_04 48:40

I don't know, I lost my train of thought too. Um well I guess. Yeah, and then and then you you had like some logic that I didn't have, and and you threw my non-logic off. Well, basically, we've got a little bit more of her timeline. My crazy nonsensical point was just that now we're really starting to fill in the pieces with her. There's still gaps, we still don't know when and why she became a wanted person. We don't know what she did, but now we meet her mom, we realize that there's something else going on there that she's been wanting to run since she was a kid, and we learn what the significance of the toy plane is, although we don't know how it got from the car to the safety posit box.

SPEAKER_01 49:38

I am convinced it was the widow, it doesn't make sense to I don't know whoever it was, it wasn't there for Kate's purpose because she had to break into it, and the only person that would have access to that stuff would be Tom's widow. So I don't know, it's just weird.

SPEAKER_04 50:00

Oh, and now we most likely, although with this show, right? Who knows? We meet the man that Kate killed. Yes. Because she said it belonged to the man I loved, it belonged to the man I killed. So we're gonna just assume that that's Tom right now, right? Yeah, because no, they're talking about when they were kids getting married. Next episode, we're gonna do the finales. The finales don't really focus in on any one person. It's kind of like the way like the first couple of episodes were the pilot. Okay. In terms of um flashbacks. If the next episode focused in on one specific person, would there be any one person that you would be hoping to see?

SPEAKER_01 50:42

Um, so wait. So Walt, I want to know about Walt. I want to know why Claire's baby. And when they go when are they gonna see the others, the other people that the French people keep talking about? Like, I feel like we all know there's something else going on this fucking island, and then out of the s like you hear these weird shit happening, and then boom, it's calm again. So it's like I won't.

SPEAKER_04 51:05

So is this what you're hoping to see in the season finale?

SPEAKER_01 51:09

I want to know more about the other people. I want to know more about fucking Claire's baby, and I want to know about Walt. Make that happen. Alright, done.

SPEAKER_04 51:22

Next time on Assassin's Sips Agnes gets her way. Okay, well, actually, next time on Assassin's Sips, we're gonna do a um Lost Season 1 finale. So we're gonna do all three episodes of Exodus. So it'll it'll be a longer episode, but we're just gonna give you all of the the parts at once. We might learn more about the others. It might have something to do with Claire's baby. And I don't know, I won't say shit about Walt. There really may not be anything to tell, so I don't wanna I don't wanna be like, and in other news, Walt is just a kid.

SPEAKER_01 52:13

Okay, fine. Just pop my bubble. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 52:18

We almost made it. We've been such a good sport through the first season.

SPEAKER_01 52:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 52:27

That's gonna do it for this week.

SPEAKER_01 52:29

I think we would like oddly normal for this episode. I know. I'm worried, I'm scared. I'm excited for next week though.

SPEAKER_04 52:39

Yeah, me too. Me too. Stay tuned next week for our next episode when we will be doing our Exodus, all three parts.

SPEAKER_01 52:49

And we're gonna exodus out this season. Ow, you like that one? That was a good one.

SPEAKER_04 52:54

Here we come.

SPEAKER_01 52:56

Will Agnes me by my ponytail?

SPEAKER_04 53:01

Will Agnes ever find out what's in the hatch? Will Agnes ever find out what Kate did?

SPEAKER_00 53:08

Will Agnes ever get to a hundred degrees?

SPEAKER_04 53:14

Will we ever know why the others wanted Claire? Stay tuned for all these and more.

SPEAKER_01 53:42

It didn't leave so many fucking loopholes and didn't leave so many opened questions. Like you solved one question, you left me with two others. Like fucking awesome. It was kind of like logic. I'm gonna roll today, aren't I?

SPEAKER_04 53:58

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SPEAKER_01 55:03

So at Lisa gives these wonderful talking points. I'm in the background doing like the flight stewardess. Flight attendants. Flight attendants, charades of everything. So we wanna yeah, yep. There's a lot that happens behind the scenes that um I don't know what makes you want to listen to us more block us. I don't know, but you know, it'll be interesting. And we are at what can they do to see this?

SPEAKER_04 55:30

Tell them, Lisa. We have been starting to post our videos on Patreon for certain tiers, but we are a train wreck, so this is it's really not a big investment if you just want to see the shit show that's the behind the scenes. But um, we've actually been figuring out how to do some little mini YouTube clips, and Agnes is like putting her head down because I'm really uh this translates to me trying to talk her into this and to figure out how to make this work best. So that might be coming soon. We do have a YouTube channel, there's nothing up there yet, but if you subscribe, then you'll you'll get notified when when there is something there to see. And if there's something that you'd like to see specifically, hit us up, let us know, and you know, we'll we'll try our best to see if that's something that we can make happen. She's saying no, but I'm saying yes. Anyway, we want to say thank you so much for listening. We really do appreciate you guys. And can I say like shout out to Missouri because holy cow, there's like a whole cluster of listeners there.

SPEAKER_00 56:56

So you got Missouri.

SPEAKER_04 56:58

Yeah, thank you. And as always, thank you so much for listening. And please don't ever forget to drink responsibly. Until next time. I'm Lisa.

SPEAKER_01 57:09

And I'm Agnes.

SPEAKER_04 57:10

And we're out of here.

SPEAKER_01 57:12

Peace. We crack up every time I do that. I don't know. I'm like Pavlov's dog over here.