LOST Lockdown

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Hi, and welcome to this episode of Sass and Sips. Where every episode we will be discussing and dissecting an episode of Lost in Order. And today's episode is lockdown. We are your hosts. I'm Lisa.

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And I'm Agnes.

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And thank you for being with us today.

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Hi guys. Hi Lisa. Hi Agnes. What are you drinking? I'm drinking my favorite spiked coffee. It wakes me up and relaxes me at the same time. It's fucking awesome.

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Uh still got vodka and soda left. So I hope it doesn't run out. Today's episode is focusing on Locke.

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Hi Terry.

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Anything you want to say before we jump in?

SPEAKER_03 1:04

Let's see.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

You wanted to know about his legs and that didn't happen.

SPEAKER_03 1:09

I know, yeah, but other okay, this episode when places I did not expect. I was like, what the actual fuck? Like I like that. I like to hear that. What? I was what the fuck?

SPEAKER_01 1:23

Didn't I just say you mean flashback or on island? On island. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:29

At the end. And I'm like, wait, what? Wait, what? Um, my whole like shit's about to get real weird. I was like, yep, there we go. Here we go. I got some thoughts on that. Okay. And you're gonna just fuck with me and my thoughts. But anyway, you're gonna have me questioning my very existence.

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In the last episode, Henry starts fucking with them and saying about Okay.

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He he amps it up.

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If he was one of them and the ambush and all that.

SPEAKER_03 2:04

Right.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

So in this episode, did you expect to find the balloon? I mean, I know you said yes, but like, but were you actually surprised when when it was there?

SPEAKER_03 2:14

No.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

No.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

No. I'm still waiting for the I was waiting for a twist. Kind of like I'm like, I know the balloon's there. How and what and what details? I have no idea. Only because he seems to be smart enough. I think he's very he's not gonna just he doesn't he plans shit out. Like he he he thinks about what he's gonna say, how he's gonna say it. He knows these pieces got a sense of these people and what to what buttons to push. So to me, that shows that he's just not gonna make up his balloon story and not have something to support it in some in some way.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Okay, um remind me at the end that there's a point to that I want to make.

SPEAKER_03 2:59

The one with the end. The one you want the one with the holes in her brain to remind you. Okay, gotcha. I might just remember though. The odds, the funny thing is, I might just remember.

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Make myself a note.

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Ask me what my name is. I'm like, I don't know. I don't know if I I don't know. Actually, I don't give a fuck if I offend anybody. Yes, I make jokes about my MS. I'm allowed to. So if that offends anybody, suck it up, cupcake.

SPEAKER_01 3:33

See, I was suck that too.

SPEAKER_03 3:35

Suck that too. It might make you happy, like relax a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 3:39

It definitely will make him happy.

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That's another podcast.

SPEAKER_01 3:48

I you know, sometimes I wish that like we could just do this podcast and just have like our actual conversations straight up and unfiltered and talk about the shit that we actually talk about. Yes, more so, but yeah, no, we couldn't do that because nobody would ever talk to us again.

SPEAKER_03 4:08

I think I think we should definitely do us a different podcast on like the Lisa and Agnes shit show.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

Like, ah yes, but you realize that then we would not be able to show our faces in public.

SPEAKER_03 4:22

I don't say anything to anyone that I don't say in their face. Everything I say to Well Ashley, wait, hold up. Maybe there's a couple of things that might not like no. It is not just that, it's just like personal things and I think I think there's enough juicy stuff that we can share that'd be interesting enough. I think the unedited version I think the unedited version might be slightly edited.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

I said something over the weekend, but I I can't even. And like what I got was this, and I'm like, what? Like you could tell you wasn't with me, because I would have been like You would have been like, was that just Tuesday?

SPEAKER_03 5:09

Like I would have been like, instead of shock, it would have been like an point.

SPEAKER_01 5:18

Okay, anyway, like yeah, we'll we'll I'll tell you after I shoot this off.

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I think everyone needs a needs at least one friend that they can speak to unfiltered. And I think I am blessed and lucky to have I got a couple that I can just like live verbal diarrhea and all the obscenities and all the things that you don't think people will understand that I could just say, and then vice versa.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

Yeah, anyway, let's get this shit show on the road. In flashback, Locke and Helen now live together, and Locke prepares for a special picnic during which he is going to propose to Helen. While reading the newspaper, Helen sees the obits and finds out that Locke's father has died. At his father's funeral service, which Father Chuck delivers. I'm not sure why that's important. Yeah, but I'm sure there's a connection that I'm not realizing.

SPEAKER_03 6:19

Um maybe not. Maybe maybe they just threw it in there and let them see.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

Like like the other two guys with the con Arthur Riley. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:29

Like, why do we need to know their names? Oh, huh?

unknown 6:32

Okay.

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Locke says to his father's coffin that he forgives him. Two men are watching the funeral from a distance. Locke notices a white car nearby that leaves the as the funeral ends. At this time, Locke has opened his own business called Welcome Home, where he works as a house inspector. He checks the house of a young woman and tells her that her husband will be happy. Did you recognize her?

SPEAKER_03 6:56

Hmm. Now you have me like going through my whole mental thing and like no, I didn't. Should I have? You're going to the end.

SPEAKER_01 7:06

I'll tell you right now. Tell me now. It was Nadia. Said's Nadia. It was? Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 7:15

I didn't no idea recognize it. Yeah. Oh, damn. No, I didn't recognize it. That scene would have meant so much more. That seemed that scene takes a whole a whole new um.

SPEAKER_01 7:28

Yeah, I mean, it's just a little like okay.

SPEAKER_03 7:32

You have to answer me this. Does she pop back up in a flashback with anybody else's life? Like this?

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We will see her again. I'm not gonna really say anything else. Woohoo! She corrects him and says she does not have a husband. As he is about to get into his car, the white car from the funeral stops beside him. Inside is Anthony Cooper.

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Cooper not surprised, let me tell you. I wasn't. Yeah.

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Cooper reveals to Locke that he faked his own death to hide from a couple of men he stole $700,000 from in a retirement con. He tells Locke that he's setting up a new identity, but that he's afraid he's being watched. He offers Locke a cut of the money if he withdraws it from a safety deposit box in the bank for him. Would you have done it?

SPEAKER_03 8:29

I would have told him to take that key and shove up his ass.

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Because he got more homes than I do.

SPEAKER_03 8:38

I just would have because when I had wanted the money and ran, after fucking lutely. But the fact that I do not trust that man would have made me like fucking money. That would have that that was my op that was that over that was the overpowering feeling. Like a but if I could have trust him enough that I could take his money and run, I would have. After fucking lutely. Had nothing to do with the money. This guy means says nothing that's the truth. I feel like so.

SPEAKER_01 9:38

Yeah. Though Locke refuses to be conned again, he is still swayed by the desire to win his father's love. So he goes through with it. He withdraws the money from the safety deposit box, 1516. When he gets home, he finds out that Helen led in the two men he saw during Cooper's funeral, his father's pursuers. One of them, Jimmy Bain, asks Locke if he has seen his dad since his death. When Locke lies and says he did not, Bane asks Locke's permission to check his bag. The only thing he finds is Locke's paperwork. Helen asks if John lied to these men, and Locke says he did not. So he lied to her, too. Locke brings the money to his father who waits at a local motel. Cooper offers Locke his part of the money, but Locke refuses. Dumbass. Cooper is leaving, but suddenly Helen stands in the doorway. She asks, Are you him? Remember, like, um the I mean it's it's not really in relation, but when um they went to the hatch and Desmond was there, and Desmond asks him, Are you him?

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Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_01 10:53

It's just funny, like, cause it's pertaining to Locke again, you know.

SPEAKER_03 10:58

That still bothers me though. What? Not bot like he's like, are you him? Like, the fuck you mean are you him? What's going on? Why aren't you telling me? Like, I feel like this he knows something, and that's and that not knowing's bothering me. Like there's something there's something that hasn't been explained yet with Desmond. I feel like he's definitely coming back. Because, you know, that's how loss works. But that yeah, that that yeah. You just remind me how much that bothered me.

SPEAKER_01 11:26

Sorry. She asks, Are you him? and slaps him. Locke follows her outside and apologizes, but Helen does not forgive him. She refuses his proposal and leaves. His dad also leaves with his cab. Locke is left shattered and alone. Right when an oceanic airplane flies over. And he's stupid too, because he's like, Oh, well, I'm leaving your money here, so if you don't take it, the May's gonna get a hell of a tip. Take the fucking money. At least.

SPEAKER_03 11:55

Well, we don't know if he didn't go back and take it, do we? I mean I didn't miss anything, right? No, but I feel like You went through all that shit.

SPEAKER_01 12:07

Right. I feel like he just Lock is so sad.

SPEAKER_03 12:10

Like he's really a sensitive person, and I guess you feel for him.

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That he probably left it.

SPEAKER_03 12:17

I think he did too. But my feelings, I I was kind of hurt for him.

SPEAKER_01 12:22

And uh it's like every episode he's he's hurt.

SPEAKER_03 12:28

Have you noticed that? Every episode. And he had he's probably the most positive. He's one of the the most he of the characters now, he's probably one of the most positive person, relatively speaking. And I love that about him, but um I don't think it was fair for her to leave him.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

Just like I mean But she told him he needed to make a choice, and then he obviously lied to her, like straight in her face. I get it, but I you know, uh yeah, maybe maybe it would have been something like better if they talked about it, but I feel like I feel I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 13:09

I get her, I get both sides. I understand both sides, and I still want him to be happy. I think that's I think that's what my thing my motivation is. I want him to be happy, or at least have a poem when he was happy. I think that's my motivation.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

Not that she was wrong. Okay. So basically, she she refuses his proposal and this is pre-wheelchair. So then in like the first episode that we see him in, he's in a wheelchair and he's talking to Helen on the phone.

SPEAKER_03 13:49

Yes.

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So, but then she charges him.

SPEAKER_03 13:52

So like the two didn't connect.

SPEAKER_01 13:56

Remember, he's he's saying that he bought he calls the woman on the phone Helen, so we don't see her, you know, we just hear her voice. And he's saying that he bought her a ticket and she says, Oh, I can't meet customers.

SPEAKER_03 14:11

I feel like I don't know if it's the same Helen. I feel like I know we assumed it was like a phone sex thing going on, or you know, a a a business arrangement, but I don't know if it was the same Helen. It's not. Oh it's totally just like a coal person.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

Um because remember, she also says, like, I can't meet customers, so that would imply that they've never met. Met together.

SPEAKER_03 14:37

Right, okay. I'm just really too much into it, but uh I shit. Her name might not even be Helen.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

It's I probably and but that just goes to show that like he's never gotten past it.

SPEAKER_03 14:52

I my heart's broken. He lost his he couldn't walk, he lost the ability to walk, he lost his woman. My feelings are hurt for him. I just want her to be and then that's why maybe subconsciously, even before I knew his backstory, I was rooted for him. And I think now, like, this is why I was rooting for him. Like I hi Terry. Um I'm still kind of geeked over his response on Twitter. I feel so special.

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You are special. Special with quotation marks.

SPEAKER_03 15:35

No comment That's the sweetest thing you've ever said to me.

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On the island, after Henry's speech about what he would do if he was an other, Jack commands Loc to put him back in the armory. Henry makes a comment about Jack's behavior towards Locke. Why do you let him talk to you like that? Which makes Locke angrier than before. He throws Henry back to the armory and orders him to shut up. In the jungle, and and this is also a rarity, is that we don't usually see Locke angry.

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Angry at all. In the jungle, the jungle, the body jungle, the lion's leaves tonight.

unknown 16:28

Okay.

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The search party consisting of Anna Lucia, Charlie, and Saeed cannot find Henry's balloon. Said confronts Anna and tells her that by believing Henry's claim, she gave him two more days to plot his escape. Suddenly, Charlie calls out to them and shows them Jennifer's grave. Anna wonders why it isn't raining in this area, and as they look up, they see Henry's balloon just like he described. At camp, Jack asks Hurley where Anna Lucia is. He says she left a day ago but does not know where. Claire comes to Jack worried about Aaron, while Libby is worried about a sea urchin sting. She points out the poker game between Sawyer, Kate, and Hurley when he tells her to put neosporin on it. Back at the hatch, while working out, Locke starts to hear distorted noises from the speakers. Both Locke and Henry are intrigued by the noise, which turns out to be a countdown. As the woman's voice reaches zero, a lockdown process occurs in the hatch, causing the blast doors to drop, locking Locke inside the living area. Locke manages to put a large pry bar under the final blast door just before it comes down. He decides to enlist Henry's help to get out of there so that he can enter the numbers and push the button on time. He makes a deal with him that he won't let anyone hurt him. At this point in the episode, did you have like any you know when you watch a scary movie and they're like, oh let's go hide in the dark basement? Like, and you're like, no. Like, did you have any like you're letting him out?

SPEAKER_03 18:23

Um I I thought it was for Locke's perspective, it was kind of logical thing to do, I think. Cause look at the I mean, look at the situation you're in. This is locked down, the crowbar, and you're like, the computer's at the other side of this door. You're like, something has to give. Um look at that. Don't look at me that tone of voice. Okay. Your voice says your look says a lot. Your look is loud.

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Meanwhile, at camp, Sawyer, Hurley, and Kate are still playing Texas Hold'em for fun. Jack arrives and displays a great knowledge of poker. Sawyer invites Jack to put your mangles where your mouth is. And Jack agrees to play. In the hatch, the lights start to flicker. With great effort, Locke and Henry use the bar from the barbell set to raise the blast door. And once they've raised it, about a foot, they prop it open with the metal toolbox. Locke tries to slide under the door, but the toolbox gives way, and Locke's legs are crushed underneath the door. But you did want to know about his legs.

SPEAKER_03 19:38

That wasn't the answer exactly. But I did see it kind of out, maybe apropos though, that the situation was like, mm-hmm.

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Locke tells Locke then tells Henry that he has to crawl through the vents to get to the computer room and then enter the numbers. Henry tries to climb the metal shelving to reach the vent but falls, knocking himself unconscious. The alarm starts beeping. Back in the poker game, Jack wins all of Sawyer's fruits. Sawyer says he wants his fruits back, and Jack suggests they play for the meds that Sawyer stole from the hatch. Sawyer agrees. During the game, it is revealed that Sawyer has been to Tallahassee and that something was burning. Hence his knowledge to what certain medicine does. Finally, Sawyer loses the meds too. At the end of the game, Sawyer asks Jack why he did not ask for the guns along with the meds. And Jack responds, When I need the guns, I'll get the guns. With the strange look in his eye, Jack leaves. And Sawyer is somewhat shocked at this. I actually really like that scene. Like I'm not I'm not a huge fan of Jack, but I love that cocky shit that he gave to Sawyer. And Sawyer's just like, what the fuck just happened?

SPEAKER_03 21:01

I part of me is like wondering, like, hey, did he intentionally did he intentionally lose for the medicine? I kind of feel like I kind of feel like he was like, I don't he I don't think bigger picture he wanted to keep it all for himself. I think he kind of just wants some kind of sense of power or respect. And maybe ill guided him and out. Yeah, I think he's yeah, I think he's like, I just don't he wants to be respected by the ill-guided it may be, and he just wants to be part of part of them, part of the group, part of the in-crowd. So that was his taking the stash. So I don't think he's gonna keep the medicine for himself and not give it to anybody. So this is his way of because I think if he really wanted to win, he could have win. Because he could cheat without Jack seeing him cheat. You know what I mean? I think Sawyer, if anyone can do without Jack seeing it, it would be Sawyer.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

So I think it looks like they also um mention um that Jack learned to play cards in Phuket, and Sawyer's like, oh what, you didn't you didn't think I knew where that was? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:08

But my mind went to something totally dirty, though. I'm just saying.

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In the hatch, Henry comes to and goes into the vents. Locke hears the alarm that tells him only a minute is left. As Locke shouts to Henry, the alarm. Suddenly stops, the lights turn off, and ultraviolet lights turn on as the numbers flap back to the 108 position. On the blast door jamming Loc's legs, a hidden map appears. Locke stares at it, taking in its detail. The lights suddenly come on and the blast doors go up. Loc barely manages to crawl into the computer room, but Henry is not there. He is behind Locke. Loc thanks him for not leaving him alone. In the jungle, Jack heads to the hatch and Kate catches up with him. She says she's happy he won his poker game against Sawyer. She asks him if she can borrow some soap to take a shower, but Jack tells her a pipe is busted and that the water has been running muddy. He doesn't even want to look at her as he's like as he's telling her, like he's not even looking at her.

SPEAKER_03 23:20

I like he the way he's treating her.

SPEAKER_01 23:24

And he he but he seems like he doesn't even like lying. Like he's doing it maybe out of his petty reasons or his um his want to protect the situation. I get it. But he but at least like it's like almost comforting that he he seems like really uncomfortable about lying to her. Jack says he would like to accompany her back to the beach, and suddenly they both see the light flickering beneath the trees. They discover that the source is a light beacon on a large pallet that was apparently airdropped. Inside the packaging, they find a supply of food marked with Dharma labels. Charlie, Saeed, and Anna Lucia return from their journey. Jack asks what they found, and Saeed is about to tell. In the hatch, Henry takes care of Locke's wound. Loc asks what Henry did to make the doors come up, and Henry tells him that he punched in the numbers and hit execute, but nothing happened except the timer ticked back to 108. He also mentions that the countdown timer showed red pictures that looked like hieroglyphics. The lights went out when Henry was in the air vents already, and ten seconds later the doors came up. He didn't do anything. Suddenly, Jack, Kate, and the search party enter the hatch. Said points his gun at Henry while Jack pushes him against the wall. Henry asks if they have found his balloon, and Said says they did, exactly as he described it, but that he still did not believe Gail. So he dug up the grave. Inside, he found not a woman, but a man. He shows him the driver's license of a black man, a man named Henry Gale. Bum bum bum.

SPEAKER_03 25:23

Told you. Told you he's full of shit. I mean, I don't think you already knew, but still.

SPEAKER_01 25:32

Yeah. Do you wanna do your notes? Do trivia? What do you want to do now?

SPEAKER_03 25:39

Okay, about this episode and the hatch one. I don't know if he hit the button or not. I don't even know. It's possible he didn't. But besides that, who did the countdown? Why did the countdown happen and set off the lock set down and set off the lockdown? Because that happened irrelevant to the whole computer button thing.

SPEAKER_01 26:05

Right. And so my guess is that the lockdown, the the lockdown is so that the supplies can eat.

SPEAKER_03 26:15

So you can see the oh I said I see the timing, the same thing happened. But the in the map.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

Oh but now, okay, forget the map for a second.

SPEAKER_03 26:27

But how did no one saw a drop? I see that drop. That's what my next question was. You see the lock, the see the the yeah, how did that happen?

SPEAKER_01 26:38

Where the drop came from, no one saw anything. Like, what the fuck? Like you don't see a plane, like who assumed who like all so many questions.

SPEAKER_03 26:49

I I kind of like I gave up on trying to figure out who said this stuff, but how it got there bothers me the most. Because could we I guess you guys kind of assume there'd be a plane drop it, like you know, with a pallet, you just assume, but boosh kind of nowhere, and why lock people down to do a delivery? Um like I feel like the lockdown was attentional, yeah. Do my like just say doing the whole beginning of the experiment, like say the the initial reason for the Dharma thing, whatever. Let's assume that there was a purpose to it. Why do people have to be locked down? What the fuck? Maybe it's magic.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

So maybe boy that maybe it could be something so simple as that if they are first of all, then they're not really supposed to leave the hatch, right? Because of whatever sickness. But it's just to ensure um that they can't get out, or maybe s somebody else can't get in. Um maybe it's part of the experiment, like I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 28:01

But they still gotta get in and out to get the supplies. So if you want to keep them in the hatch.

SPEAKER_01 28:09

Or so that they don't see who's dropping them, they don't try to escape off the island. I I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 28:16

I mean, if that was the case, and they could just because you're not supposed to leave the hatch doesn't mean they're not leaving that. They still gotta leave the hatch to get to the food. Yeah, no, obviously. So I mean they have the has they still can oh excuse me. Uh uh yeah. So if they're gonna try to escape or try to sail away or whatever, they could do that at any time. I don't know, nothing. If they had something to escape on theoretically speaking, but then they if they did, it could happen at any time before the lockdown. Like you know what I mean? They only lockdown during the delivery. So what's the connection? Hmm. Things that make you go, hmm. What about the map? I find okay, so that's another thing. If the if the lockdown is connected to the delivery, what's the purpose of the map? Is it to say like ah like why show the why show a map? Because if this is all intentional and planned and already set up, those that are in the hatch, if they're supposed to see the map, they should already know the map of the other stations. Did that come out right? I think I understand what you're saying. Like if the if the two are connected, the map, if the delivery and lockdown is connected, why show people the map of the other stations? That's why I assume there's the other stations. Because if they're supposed to buy up the supplies, they should already know, they should already know the other stations are if that's the purpose of it. Like, I don't understand why all three of them having the same time. There's no line or rhythm to it.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

So just basically more questions. Yes, and it so I think it's funny though, because I think the last time we had a Locke episode, and you were like, no, Locke's episodes are good, but they're just so straightforward. And now it's like fuck your theory.

SPEAKER_03 30:27

But you know his flashbacks are straightforward. I didn't say anything about his his like the the the yeah, his flashbacks are logical and they make sense compared to like okay, I can see how that happened. So but Locke is care. What happens to Locke on the Island is not straightforward. Locke himself is like he's a mystic, he's a he's a lost eye mystic. That's why I think he and Echo, Mr. Echo, they kind of feed off of each other. Their characters are like. I know. I feel like I don't know, I feel like the the tailies are temporary main characters. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 31:08

They're not getting yeah, they're not getting a lot of screen time right now.

SPEAKER_03 31:11

And I feel like and I kind of feel like that's a there's a reason for it. I feel like they were just I think they were made up temporary, I think temporary main characters is the best way I can explain it. They're just here for a moment, they're here for a season, and then they not a literal season season, but they're here for a moment and then just poof, be gone.

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SPEAKER_01 32:25

Trivia?

SPEAKER_03 32:26

Trivia, trivia.

SPEAKER_01 32:28

This is one of two episode titles that is a pun on the centric character's name. The other one is House of the Rising Sun. The episode's title references both the main event that takes place and Locke, who has the flashbacks in this episode.

SPEAKER_03 32:49

Who is locked down. It's like like man down, locked down, locked down. Is that corny?

SPEAKER_01 32:55

But no, but that's exactly right. That's exactly what it says. It says locked down could mean how Locke was literally down on the floor after he was injured, or symbolically, because after Helen left him, he became depressed or down.

SPEAKER_03 33:11

Oh see, I that see when it works, it works. I know it does. I think they did a great time. They did they weren't the title, they did a great job with the title and the episode. They made it fun and obvious at the same time. Like it was obvious, but it was fun. It wasn't so abstract when you're like, really? It was good. It was good.

SPEAKER_01 33:34

Yeah. And I mean, obviously, there's the obvious connection where the hatches on lockdown.

SPEAKER_03 33:39

The actual lockdown.

SPEAKER_01 33:41

On Henry Gale's driver's license, the address is 815 Walnut Ridge Road. 815 being the same as the flight scene. Yeah. So there's some like more questions now, right? The supply drop, no one noticed.

SPEAKER_03 34:02

Correct.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

Before the transmission was counting down, though, it was saying something else.

SPEAKER_03 34:08

Right. I had no idea what they were saying. Right. Okay, I just thought it was makeup. Like, am I stupid? No. Are we going to Everett?

SPEAKER_01 34:17

And I don't know. Oh, you're so evil. How like what's the story behind the real Henry Gail?

SPEAKER_03 34:29

What's the point you want to make?

SPEAKER_01 34:31

Oh. So you were saying about how Henry, quote unquote Henry, because who knows that that's his real name? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:40

Pretty sure it's not.

SPEAKER_01 34:41

White White Henry had a plan. I mean Alive Henry? I don't know. How do you want to differentiate? So you're saying that when when you were saying how, oh yeah, his balloon is definitely out there because he always has a plan, so blah blah blah. But why wouldn't he like and there was a grave? So he knew, like, he obviously knew all those facts that there was a balloon, there was a grave. He clearly knew the name of the man in the grave.

SPEAKER_03 35:15

So he probably actually buried him.

SPEAKER_01 35:17

So what it would lead you to think that he was either responsible or he knew who was because he he had some knowledge of this. But if he's so smart, then why wouldn't he think that they were gonna dig it up?

SPEAKER_03 35:34

Maybe he didn't care.

SPEAKER_01 35:36

Then why go through all the trouble of like the whole balloon story?

SPEAKER_03 35:40

I think it was one of those situations like, hey, if they believe me, great. If not, it still works for my future plan. I think a good plan, it's gonna cover all a lot of different scenarios. So I think I think it was like, great, if it works, I do plan, I go through this route. If it doesn't work, I go through this route. That's my that's my take on him. Maybe I'll give him too much credit. And I watch too much TV and I read too much espionage's five books and shit. But um, yeah. I hate you do that. That okay. That now coming mentally. What do you want me to say? It's the way you say it that I know I don't know if I'm onto something or I'm completely off the route. Exactly. I hate it, no, but I hate the way that I love it. You know, it's like no, no, no. It's the no, that's what I meant. I meant like I hate it, I love it.

SPEAKER_01 36:40

And anything else before we wrap it up?

SPEAKER_03 36:44

I do that to a whole new level. Like, I'm sorry. Um listen, it's been a couple of years, okay? Leave me alone. Um, no, I think we're pretty I know, I'm so sad. But no, no questions about lust. Okay. Hey, this is what makes our show interesting.

SPEAKER_01 37:06

You want to tease the next episode? The ranch dressing.

SPEAKER_03 37:13

Ranched dressing.

unknown 37:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:16

More ranch dressing. It can't catch a break. I know. Why do they hate ranch dressing so much?

SPEAKER_03 37:22

Here they love it. They put that shit on everything. A battle loss. I don't think I have anything else to say. And yes, stay tuned for next week's episode with the ranch dressing.

SPEAKER_01 37:36

It's a Hurley episode.

SPEAKER_03 37:39

It's just that scene but just bothered me so much.

SPEAKER_01 37:46

What do you want to see for Hurley?

SPEAKER_03 37:50

You know what? I've been trying to like rack my brain, like, what is that? What happened? Last thing we saw was like um when everyone found out that he won, and his friends, like, what the fuck, dude? Like that scene. And we saw all the shit that happened before, like the previous flashbacks of what happened after he won. Like, what more could it be? And that's like, what is what else? What have we heard? So I'm thinking about what's going on with Hurley. And I remember this part where he was he met the guy when he was institutionalized. So I'm like, oh, like the guy with the numbers.

SPEAKER_01 38:23

Oh, uh-huh. Toomie? No, that Sam Toomey. That was the other guy, Leonard.

SPEAKER_03 38:27

Okay, whatever. Uh, if you remember, great for you. Uh I'm like, okay, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 38:32

Sam Toomey was the guy in Australia that he went to see but died. And I'm pretty sure Leonard was the guy in the institution with the numbers. Okay. Uh-huh. So go ahead. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 38:41

I can't remember my kid's name. You are. I I bowed down to you. So, and then for a minute, I'm like, well, wow, we kind of forgot about that. But yeah, that's after like a lot of soul searching and thinking. That's what I want to know. Why was he in the why was he institutionalized? Because he seems normal to me. Like, I don't see anything. I don't, you know. Mm-hmm. Because if that was the case, I would have been locked up too. Or I would I still would be locked up somewhere. Um, so yeah, what's going on with Hurley? Tell me, tell me, tell me.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

We we might find out next time on Assassin's Sips.

unknown 39:25

Like that.

SPEAKER_01 39:27

But seriously, next time the episode is called Dave. And it is a Hurley sent yeah, the episode is called Dave.

SPEAKER_03 39:36

I I was always curious about that. Like, why is it Dave? And then remember the movie Dave with the pr like with the guy they had him be the president because the president like died. It was like Kevin Klein. Remember when in junior high school we went to Washington, DC? Remember when to DC? You didn't go on a trip to DC? I don't I don't remember. You don't remember DC? Okay.

SPEAKER_01 40:02

I mean, I've been I've been there a bunch of times. I don't remember if I went there with school.

SPEAKER_03 40:06

Oh well anyway, they took us to stay part we went to movies. We saw Dave.

SPEAKER_01 40:10

Yeah, I feel like I wasn't there.

SPEAKER_03 40:13

Was with Kevin Klein, and I remember this is a long time ago. This is during high school. God, oh my god, I'm doing the math. That's a fucking forever ago. Holy shit, balls.

SPEAKER_01 40:26

Anyway, um, and do you expect me to remember 4,500 years ago?

SPEAKER_03 40:33

I remember longer before I remember short term, but anyway, so Dave, if I remember correctly, the movie, he had to pretend to be the president for whatever reason. And he looked just like him. So when I saw the title of this move of the title of this episode, that movie was the first thing that popped in my head. I feel like this, like, is there a is there a body double? Is there a switch going on? Like, what the hell's going on with this episode?

SPEAKER_01 41:02

You caught it. Hurley's gonna be the president.

SPEAKER_03 41:06

If I could throw my pillow at you, I would. But I just don't know because the names, the titles just seems so random. I'm like, what the fuck? And that's why, and but the only thing and the title of that movie was actually called it was just called Dave. So that's why it kind of popped in my head. It wasn't like it was Dave and something, it was actually just Dave. So, like the title of this episode. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 41:39

He's gonna be the president of Lost Island. That's what he's saying.

SPEAKER_03 41:43

He's the president of the of the institution. Everyone needs a leader.

SPEAKER_01 41:51

He's going to overthrow Locke and Jack. And he's gonna be like, I am now the leader of this island.

SPEAKER_03 42:00

Okay, now you see, now you're just mocking me. Leader of the pack. Yes. That's exactly what I have this particular set of skills that I can't think of a song with any word or phrase. It's like fucking awesome.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

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SPEAKER_03 43:09

Um I love when you call me and give me a random voicemail.

SPEAKER_01 43:16

Oh yes, I love reading those emails. I can't even keep a straight face. Anyway, I hate it. Well, all of our info is in the show notes, and we appreciate you listening and always drink responsibly, do not drive drunk. And until next time, I'm Lisa.

SPEAKER_03 43:41

I'm a Madness.

SPEAKER_01 43:43

We are the hour. Namaste.

unknown 43:48

Namaste, bitches.