REUNION 1993

SPEAKER_03 0:09

Hi, and welcome to today's episode of Assassin's Hips. Today we are going to talk about Reunion Season 1, Episode 8, I think, 1993. SP on the track. Okay, that's like my favorite salt and pepper album, actually. Very necessary. Came out in 1993. I'm Lisa, one of your hosts, and today I'm sipping on the red wine. Thank you very much. Found the corkscrew, still happy about it.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

She's on her corkscrew high. Say that three times fast.

SPEAKER_00 0:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

And I'm Agnes, and I'm drinking. You want to guess what I'm drinking, Lisa? Kalua with a touch of coffee, maybe?

SPEAKER_03 0:56

How'd you guess?

SPEAKER_01 0:58

You're so smart.

SPEAKER_03 1:00

You've become predictable. And then once the weather starts getting a little bit better, I have a feeling you're going back to the tequila and the sis and sips. Yeah, the lemonade. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

Well, there was a moment after the surgery, it was all wines.

SPEAKER_03 1:16

Oh, that's that is true.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:18

Yeah, you did have those.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

But summers like barbecue and cookouts and tequila. Tequila.

SPEAKER_03 1:29

Tequila. I'm gonna do my my peewee.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

I'm so glad they can't see us.

SPEAKER_03 1:38

Maybe they can. Don't tell me you're not feeling well because you still look great.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

So I haven't look, okay. I am now transitioning all I need, because I have the dark eyes, into a raccoon. I'm almost done with the channel. I know.

SPEAKER_03 1:56

You can't say that too loud. Somebody might come and cancel you.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

I'm already been, if I've been canceled yet, I'm not gonna get canceled. Um yeah, so my transition to um rabbit raccoon is almost complete. The rabbit part. You have to add that.

SPEAKER_03 2:13

I have the eating habits of a raccoon.

SPEAKER_01 2:16

I mean, I like the dark circles.

SPEAKER_03 2:18

You don't have the dark circles.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

I um I get my men from the trash. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:32

So yeah, I'm ready. And like friendly. I want I want a possum. Oh, I like oh well, I like possums and Stella. Long time ago, before I had a dog, I used to feed. There was one who used to come in my yard, my yard my yard. Are you from Boston? Fuck the Red Sox. Um, I had one that always used to come in my yard. I named him Bob. And he would come with the stray cats, and they would all eat the food I would put out, and he was so cute with his weird little hands. I think they're they're so good for the the They're good.

SPEAKER_01 3:15

They eat the little bugs and stuff, they don't get rabies.

SPEAKER_03 3:18

Mosquitoes, they eat mosquitoes.

SPEAKER_01 3:20

I okay, so there's two things I'm gonna do.

SPEAKER_03 3:24

Unfortunately, my dog is not a fan of possums.

SPEAKER_01 3:27

No, he's not, is he? Well, I think she's just playing with them.

SPEAKER_03 3:31

I don't think she's actually I don't yeah, I think the problem is that the possums play dead instead of running away. And then she's like, oh cool, thanks.

SPEAKER_01 3:45

Yeah, I don't think she has yeah, it's not intentional.

SPEAKER_03 3:48

And the truth of the matter is, right, if we had a pet possum, it would be a different story.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

I concur.

SPEAKER_03 3:56

Because she has yet to one of the cats.

SPEAKER_01 4:00

So get the possum used to Stella, so there's no playing dead.

SPEAKER_03 4:05

Yeah, yeah. Well, once she knows what not to do, she's obedient, but you know, I guess I I need to bring home a possum and say, no, we don't we don't hurt these.

SPEAKER_01 4:18

There were two things I saw on Facebook, and I really it really resonated with me. Trying to be serious, but I'm not serious. One was someone had put out food for the random cats in the neighborhood, and then there was a cat in one, a raccoon in one, and then another random animal. They're like, yeah, we don't judge. Everyone's welcome.

SPEAKER_03 4:42

I'm like, that would be my backyard if I was allowed to feed the strays.

SPEAKER_01 4:46

Well, in my cat shelter, I'm sure there's other animals eating the food that I put out. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:53

Uh, one of the cats that I have now is she's a little bit like territorial. And we must have had we there there's a lot of strays around here. I mean, I've I've seen stray cats walking by to the point where I'm like, is that my cat? And I'm like, wait a minute. I had to go find my own cat, like count, and be like, no, no, no, that's not okay, that's not one of mine. Uh, there's rabbits, there's a lot of small creatures that are around here. Um apparently my female cat likes to hang out in the basement, and one of them must have come to the window because it looked like like the Royal Rumble or some shit. The screen on the outside of the window was torn to shreds. And on the inside, there was broken glass, it was blood everywhere. I mean, it was I laugh now, she's okay, but it was bad. And and they were separated by a window, and this is the chaos that it caused. I don't I don't know what it was. I imagine it was a cat or a raccoon, because I don't think possums or rabbits are territorial like that. You know, they would have just run away.

SPEAKER_02 6:13

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 6:15

So could you imagine if if I fed the strays and they kept coming around, there would this little bitch would have every window be knocked out.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:27

There would just be no basement left. So and she's the tiniest one of them all.

SPEAKER_01 6:32

Well, female cats are territorial.

SPEAKER_03 6:34

They yeah, they're the dangerous ones of the species. The other two cats, and Elvis is twice her size, and she don't fuck around. He walks by sometimes and she's just like whack. I'm like, Sister feel you.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

Sometimes they just need a whack just for you know, just to keep them in line.

SPEAKER_03 6:54

Yes. And the other cat is actually her litter mate, and she he looks at her the wrong way, and she just like pounces on him. And I'm just like, okay, yeah. Good for you. Good for you, girl.

unknown 7:11

Good for you.

SPEAKER_03 7:12

You just tell them who's boss, and I love that she's like the quietest one, she's the tiniest one. I mean, she's not actually the quietest one, because when she's on her shit, she's like just all up in your face meowing. Like, what the fuck do you want? She wants affection on her terms. I'm just like, yeah, I get it. I get it. Most of us just don't go around demanding it, but I get it.

SPEAKER_01 7:41

She is your cat through and through. The more you talk about her, the more I see Lisa personality.

SPEAKER_03 7:53

What does it say about Elvis? He just sits at the dish and eats all damn day.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

See mine? And Simon is very much, I feel like all of my cats have been they're my they're like familiars. They like to hug and cuddle, and I love you.

SPEAKER_03 8:10

And then I have Stella who the wind blows outside and she jumps into my lap, and I'm like, Mechihua energy, but like both sides. Like we we have to pick we have to pick a personality here because a car door shuts across the street and she's barking her face off, like, ooh, scary dog, scary dog, but then the wind blows and she's cowering.

SPEAKER_00 8:37

Leave my Stella alone.

SPEAKER_03 8:39

Wait. I keep a bat by my bed because if somebody breaks in, who's gonna protect the dog?

SPEAKER_01 8:45

Protect Stella. Someone needs to protect the dog.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

She'll she'll let me know somebody is here, but then the rest is up to me.

SPEAKER_01 8:53

Figure it out, Mom.

SPEAKER_03 8:55

Yeah. Anyway. 1993. I have a hot take.

SPEAKER_02 9:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 9:01

When we were recording 1991, you said that maybe the detective killed her and framed them since it's been an ongoing issue. Like, and who who better to you know, who better I said that? Okay. You're like, who better to frame than a detective? And then that was 1991. And then I was like, wait a minute, well, we watched 1992, we got backstory on the detective, and we realized that he's actually been stalking them since 1992 for 14 years. So it's not necessarily, I don't I don't necessarily think that that would happen because of this episode. Right. But I had this thought before going into 1993, so I was like, wait a minute. He has known who they are, their movements all about them for all of these years for over a decade. It's not that hard if he really wanted to. It's still possible that he did, though. Well, to me, that theory made sense because of his hatred for Will. So it was like to do that to frame Will, but he's no longer suspecting Will.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

But depending, but if he framed, he can, I mean, if he had a part in it, he could frame any one if he wants.

SPEAKER_03 10:51

A hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

But my point is probably why he did the last scene, so he can frame Craig.

SPEAKER_03 10:58

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_01 10:58

In the last scene, you'd see where he's at.

SPEAKER_03 11:01

Right, but you're you're not understanding me. So if a detective wanted to at the time of the murder, the detective thought Will killed his father. So if he was gonna frame Will, he was gonna make all the clues point to Will.

SPEAKER_00 11:19

Good point.

SPEAKER_03 11:20

But he doesn't suspect Will anymore, and the clues are not necessarily pointing towards one or the other. So I don't think it's the detective. I think what it was obviously Will.

SPEAKER_01 11:31

I don't think it's the detective either. But what if he left it open-ended so they can be the pretense of an investigation?

SPEAKER_02 11:46

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 11:46

And because he left it open-ended, he's like, oh, and set the next one.

SPEAKER_03 11:53

Just walk with all of them. He's like, and you want to do something.

SPEAKER_01 11:59

Because a good investigation, gets the problem with frame-ups, is that they're too perfect.

SPEAKER_03 12:05

Too obvious. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:06

Right, they're too perfect.

SPEAKER_03 12:08

It's like, look, the killer signed their name, left their driver's license, and directions to their home. That must be him.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

Exactly. But so a good detective trying to frame someone will leave it open-ended. So it could be like a normal investigation.

SPEAKER_03 12:22

Right. That's a good point.

SPEAKER_01 12:24

I mean, I don't think he did it.

SPEAKER_03 12:25

But they usually are not that good at framing. And it's like But the bad detectives. Light up sign. Like, you know, like the Beetlejuice sign, like with the lights and everything. Like they might as well just hang one of those up. The big marquee. Will did it, Will did it, Will did it, Will did it. Because. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:44

So that's actually. I mean, I don't think he did, but it's still plausible if he did. Wrong answers only. And it works.

SPEAKER_03 12:55

Okay. Right. I have another thought.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

Oh Lord.

SPEAKER_03 13:00

We previously surmised that Jenna hated Craig because maybe he had a long-term affair with the secretary, right? And we know that now that he actually did have an affair with her. It supposedly it was six months, but we don't and and again, these are my thoughts going into 1993.

SPEAKER_04 13:21

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 13:22

This was before I watched it, not after. What if he re-entered that affair and they had another family and they, you know, had some, you know, a bigger secret. And this is why Jenna doesn't forgive him because Sam found out about the other family, the secret, whatever. And that is why she killed herself.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

Are we still doing that?

SPEAKER_03 13:53

I I'm still kind of like that's a plausible theory for me. She killed herself and they're just protecting. And I was thinking more about the the fact that the kid is like still not seen.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

That bothers me.

SPEAKER_03 14:16

Yeah, he he's in the room and it's like, you know, we didn't see but But is he really in the room? Or are they h even if he's in the room, are they hiding him because maybe he is disabled? Maybe whatever caused Craig to be in the wheelchair caused some disfigurement to Henry. To Henry, yeah. And that's why Jenna will never forgive him. Maybe Henry is confined to a bed. You know, I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 14:47

But if he's that, who's doing the messages? I really like the I like the son. Yeah, I think that's wrong answers only.

SPEAKER_03 14:54

I like the son doing the I don't think that that's necessarily a wrong answer. I think that that could be a plausible answer.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

I think we need to write our own.

SPEAKER_03 15:02

Um We may have to write our own like ending.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

Oh, even our own show, period. Oh. Okay. I think because of our skill level, our skill sets, it'll be very like realistic, but dark and twisty? Yes. Yes. Dark and dark and twisty.

unknown 15:27

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

Brave anatomy sister.

SPEAKER_03 15:30

Um you know how the scary movies like actual scary movies or this the movie called scary movie?

SPEAKER_01 15:40

The movie called scary movie.

SPEAKER_03 15:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Scream. That's why I really wanted to say scream and scary movie. I'm sorry. I'm like, no, scary movie is the spoof. What is the actual movie, Agnes? Scream. You know how, especially the first two, they're like, and movie K, you know, Canon. It did this, and this is what happened. And then we would be so into the Canons, and they would take the canons and flip it upside down.

SPEAKER_03 16:07

All right, well, let's go.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

Oh, golly. I should never said that because she's gonna want to watch it, want to want to screenplay. She'll be like, okay, give me your first draft by five o'clock today. I'm like, fuck. What the fuck did I do?

SPEAKER_03 16:22

You say that now, but when we're opening uh in cut in Cannes Film Festival, walking the red carpet. Yeah. Or in the French Riviera sipping champagne. We just really need a screenplay that earns enough money so we could buy back the United States.

SPEAKER_00 16:40

This way won't cost much.

SPEAKER_03 16:42

She will get out of like the fire sale. And buy this with my black admix. We could just we could just buy the country and like put back the pieces in a better way. And do you know how cool that would be? Like we'd we'd actually and all the people who have a problem will just find like a nice little island to send it. We could tell them what they told us and leave. Right. No, no, but but we'll help them. And then and then the rest of the country, it'll be like cool people, people who actually love one another. And we'll just have like barbecues and tacos and tequila. Obviously. It'll just be like a big party, and everybody will have a good time. And four-day work weeks.

SPEAKER_01 17:34

Love that. I'm I can I can I'm so for that.

SPEAKER_03 17:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

Tequila.

SPEAKER_03 17:38

By the way. Remember that. Remember that when you want to send us money, we're gonna buy back the United States. Patreon. I don't know. PayPal. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 17:46

PayPal what role I can play. I'm a little scary. Like I I mix drinks, I drink shots knee.

SPEAKER_03 17:52

You don't have to mix drinks.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

Don't. I'm sorry, I don't know. No, no, no. I mix, like, I can go from like a mixed drink to a sh beers to liquor. I mix my drinks. Oh. Don't play with me. I don't, and I'm good. I don't have to be fucked with. I can mix my drinks and I'll be okay.

SPEAKER_03 18:10

Yeah, I can't.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

I don't hang, I don't haven't had a hangover and God knows how long.

SPEAKER_03 18:15

It'll be like alcoholic status when you stop feeling it.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

I'm half Irish.

SPEAKER_03 18:20

I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_01 18:21

I'm half Irish. It's fine.

SPEAKER_03 18:24

Well, you're half Irish more than I am, so I guess maybe that's why I can't.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

I was born into this. Okay, back to 1993. That was also the year when school started, and half the schools, it was a late start because of asbestos. We started high school that year. And I know we saw like a month before.

SPEAKER_03 18:47

I did not start high school that year. I stayed.

SPEAKER_01 18:51

I stayed for the oh, I started high school that year, and it was started late because the asbestos.

SPEAKER_03 18:58

No, I stayed in uh 142.

SPEAKER_01 19:01

I still get chills down my spine.

SPEAKER_03 19:03

I hate that ninth grade was fun for me.

SPEAKER_01 19:06

I need that building. I feel like junior high school sucked for most people. Because it's just an awkward period of time.

SPEAKER_03 19:14

Seventh grade was hard, but then eighth grade and ninth grade weren't so bad for me.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

Eighth grade was fine for me, but I was always like, I'm done. Get me the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_03 19:24

Yeah. In the present, we see the detective, and they they pan the camera to his keys, which has a bullet keychain. And I I don't know enough about guns. Like, I don't know if that's a real bullet or not, but it's like a silver bullet. Maybe he has a past or future, and is it vampires with the silver bullet or werewolves?

SPEAKER_00 19:50

Werewolves. Okay. Werewolves.

SPEAKER_03 19:52

Why can't he speak? Maybe he's gonna go after a werewolf. But he needs a new place because Yeah. Him and his wife are done. I guess he never did realize that his family was more important.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

Well, no. Jackass.

SPEAKER_03 20:11

And he still thinks He has to make sure his frame-up sticks. I'm just talking. Yeah, well, you know, of course, because if your frame up doesn't stick, then your family loses you really forever. So now he's he's stuck on it's Craig. We go to Bedford, where Craig is arriving at the cemetery in his wheelchair, and it's Sam's birthday. Isn't it still like a week or two after the murder? Craig must have a lot of clout to get that fucking headstone that fast. Then that should take like months.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

I don't think they thought about timeline.

SPEAKER_03 20:56

They did think about a lot of things.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

I mean, also, I don't think they planned on being there longer than a season. Like, you know, they kind of had to put it together real quick to try to I'm I'm no no-like most shows, I'm pretty sure they would have gotten together by season two. Maybe possibly.

SPEAKER_03 21:16

Doubt it. Um I think they don't realize that people criticize these things or notice these things. But when you're I don't care when you're reviewing a show, you review it all. And we don't get a headstone in two weeks. Okay, to be fair, unless he had it ready already. He ordered that shit like three months ago.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

If we weren't talking about the shows, I don't know if I would have noticed. Okay, I wouldn't noticed, but I don't think I would have cared. You would have.

SPEAKER_03 21:51

I mean, I would have been like, you know what it is that it's like every time I see something that's so like ridiculously implausible, it's just kind of like, you want me to take you seriously?

SPEAKER_01 22:05

You know, it's like you're not supposed to take TV seriously, Lisa.

SPEAKER_03 22:10

But when you're watching along and you're trying to figure out the clues and follow the logic, when there's no logic to follow, it's harder to be an active participant.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

I will give you that.

SPEAKER_03 22:22

Because, right, like things have to make sense in order for you to follow. Along.

SPEAKER_01 22:26

And that is why there are some shows that I just love to watch and enjoy, and I don't want to do it on here because I would have to dissect it. And I don't want to. I just want to enjoy it.

SPEAKER_03 22:40

When when we watch Lost, I will be the first one to be like, this is the most unbelievable shit. Right? Like smoke monsters on an island traveling through time and a light. And I get that.

SPEAKER_01 22:59

But at least the timelines added up.

SPEAKER_03 23:03

But we know that we're watching a science fiction show. And it's expected. But then the other things that they do. Yeah, there's there's probably something that I can't quite place like right now. But for the most part, the other things still felt pretty linear. Like they made sense. I mean, yeah, there were there were things that we laughed at, right? Like, oh, everyone who got off the plane at LAX, they ended up in the same hospital. But then you come to find out that this is actually not real. So And also you're watching a science fiction show and you know that they're gonna have to put them all there. It's not like this show where kids are playing in the East River and you live in Manhattan, but yet you're gonna go all the way to fucking bed for New York for a birthday dinner. No. You nobody drives back and forth upstate city, upstate city for the fun of it. Nobody. Like, especially not people with small children in an apartment in the city. It just doesn't happen. That's the bullshit I'm talking about. Like it's so ridiculously stupid. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 24:22

Like, okay, so disclaimer. I agree with you. I totally agree with you, but I find it more fun just to fuck with you.

SPEAKER_03 24:34

I bet you do. That's okay. I love when you fuck with me. Ooh, baby. I hear that a lot.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

No, no, I don't.

SPEAKER_03 24:45

Okay, it's 1993 and it's Christmas. We were 14 years old.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 24:51

For Christmas 1993.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 24:55

Ooh, my stomach made a noise. Um that was your stomach? It sounded like a cat. No, I was just like, is that still his ass? No, that was my stomach. I'm hungry. Sam is now a resident. And Craig is like, don't forget, we have a reservation tonight at Bedford Hollow. So not only are they going from Manhattan to Bedford for a quote reservation. Yeah, it's not a reservation, but still. You're going to the one and only restaurant that ever existed in Bedford. Okay. Sam is like, yep, I know. And then she pops some unknown pills. We see Aaron and Carla who are walking and they're talking about their dates. And then it like gets a little coy. And she's like, you know, they're talking about like, oh, but how come we never dated? And Carla's like, I'll give you three reasons. And I forgot what number one and number two were, but number three is because you never asked me. Hee hee hee hee. So he's like, okay, cool, how about tonight? And she's like, uh, no.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

Keep joking. I just go ahead. I kind of felt bad for Carla. It was everything was unintentional, but the end, you're like, damn. But everything happens for a reason. But at the same time, like, damn, that's kind of fucked up. Like, I know.

SPEAKER_03 26:25

I know. And then I was like, my God, like, you just know that this was so cute that something was gonna come along and fuck it up.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

Big time.

SPEAKER_03 26:32

Yeah. Sam is at the ER, and you know, it's like, oh, working. And is it me or is her voice getting annoying? Like her voice, it was like this low voice, and it's just helping that lady, and she's like, but ma'am, yeah, I know we're gonna get you out.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

Well, she is high as a kite. And you ever notice when you're drunk and you're trying not to be drunk? You know what I mean? So I is it. So she's high, trying not to be high. Yes, I understand.

SPEAKER_03 27:14

Do you watch Chicago Matt? I used to. You watch the episode last night where um do you know who Archer is? Um but the the guy from Wings. No, um, I can't think of his name. Oh, what the fuck is his name? You do you remember the show Wings? Yes.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

Yes, I think he talks, yes, I think we talked about, yes.

SPEAKER_03 27:34

I forgot, yeah, I forgot what his real name is.

SPEAKER_01 27:37

I'm looking at his face on the show.

SPEAKER_03 27:39

He's he's like a gruff and no nonsense. Yeah, he ends up high on LSD. He's like, You snorted.

SPEAKER_01 27:52

That was like Agnes snort.

SPEAKER_03 27:54

Here's like asshole character, high, and like I'm gonna feel the earth. It's like, oh, we can hang out now.

SPEAKER_01 28:02

Now I like you.

SPEAKER_03 28:03

Now I like you. Sorry. No, no, but you know what? I didn't consider that, and I think I think maybe I'll I'll I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. We'll see what happens in 1994, but um in the present, oh, because she receives flowers at work, and they're yellow roses, and they're from Craig, and somebody is like, oh, yellow means whatever.

SPEAKER_01 28:33

Friendship or something.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

Most men send red. First of all, fuck off. Why are you like taking the wind out of her sails?

SPEAKER_01 28:43

Seriously, but she puts it in her place in a very nice way. He goes, he knows I like the yellow ones.

SPEAKER_03 28:50

Right. And then it pans to her, to them at her grave, and he's depositing yellow roses at her grave. He knows she likes the yellow ones, so I guess he's like, Well, that's the least I can do after I off to her. I don't think he did though. I don't know. I think it's too obvious. So Will joins, and then some mystery guy comes and is like, I'm glad she's dead.

SPEAKER_01 29:19

And at this point, it was quite obvious who it was, for me at least. I'm like, okay.

SPEAKER_03 29:24

Yeah, the writing is not that sufficient.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

It's not that deep.

SPEAKER_03 29:29

So Will goes to talk to him, and the guy's name is Jeremy, and Jeremy's like, let me tell you why she deserved to die. So I was like, this took a weird turn. Like now, all of a sudden, the new unknown who you are is getting to narrate the story. But Okay. In 1993, Will arrives at the ER to wish Sam a happy birthday, and basically just to make sure that she gets to her birthday party on time. But shh, don't tell Crane you know. Jenna is talking to uh Bedford High School about her divorce and her upcoming movie, and it's Jenna Moretti Day at the high school. She says she's moving back to New York so she could do some serious theater. At Aaron's job, Pascal shows up and she brought a gift named Chloe. I have some suspicions about her, but I'll get there. Let's put a pin on Aaron. Back at the hospital, Sam's patient that she had to discharge or thought to discharge is back and she's not fine. And now Sam is like in a little bit of a panic, and the doctor is like ripping her a new one, and I'm looking at them like that was a really heated response, like like an aggressive response. It seemed off to me.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

For me, and maybe because I'm just a professional TV viewer, my initial thought would have been, okay, anaphylactic shot. Because soon she just said she just left. I just gave her penicillin and those and those antibiotics, rather. My first thing was, okay, could have been a reaction to the pills I just gave her. That would have been my first question. You wouldn't have needed further testing and further, you know. That's just my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 31:30

But that wouldn't have been mine, but at the same time, we all know that people don't necessarily tell the whole truth. And doctors know that. So, and and yes, that goes to her case, but I I didn't think anaphylactic shock. I thought maybe she didn't she wasn't honest about maybe medication she was taking or what caused whatever the issue was, and then there was some some underlying thing that they couldn't catch or diagnose because she wasn't upfront, or or maybe she thought a symptom didn't matter, you know, anything like that.

SPEAKER_01 32:09

Anything, but there was just a couple of things that would have been the first things you check off. Drug interaction, allergic reaction. Those are just things that should have been checked off while they were taking before she, you know, while they were trying to figure out what was wrong with her, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I feel like they didn't know until after she died that there was anaphylaxis. I'm like, well, I feel I just to me that just certain things, it's like, okay, let's check these things off first.

SPEAKER_03 32:36

Right.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

These are the known, the usual suspects.

SPEAKER_03 32:40

But especially ones that are so serious, like anaphylaxis, that you have a a very short window of time to catch, like to to remedy.

SPEAKER_01 32:50

And it wasn't like she was never in the house, like she was just there, she was fine, she went through everything. You gave her a prescription for pills, certain things like okay, let's check.

SPEAKER_03 32:58

So either something caused her to relapse. Something with the accident, but yeah, something caused her to have that episode, but but it's an acute reaction. So either she took something that put her there, an interaction from something she took, or she has something very serious underlying.

SPEAKER_01 33:21

But like you said, you go for the the quick ones first, the usual suspects and check it off and then call it a day.

SPEAKER_03 33:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:29

But they were just like they were just she, I feel like they were just, I don't know. It's a TV show. Like little things like that bothered me. It's just like the bench and the clean piece for you. Yeah. The bench with the hill. Yes, the bench with the hill. It's like it's just like, but yes, we we digress a lot today. Someone's gonna have a pain in the ass editing this bitch.

SPEAKER_03 33:55

Yeah. Aaron is in daddy denial, and he gets a phone call from Cupertino, and I'm like, oh, is that Apple on the phone? Because this is 1993. And I'm like, why would they say Cupertino like that? You're not an Apple user, so I guess you don't get it.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

I get it.

SPEAKER_03 34:14

When when you get an Apple phone or whatever, or you you look at the the weather, it's like always Cupertino. Like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

Um I'm around you Apple users enough.

SPEAKER_03 34:28

Sam is getting ripped a new asshole by a bigger asshole. And he's like, you must have made a mistake. And so, in order to make herself feel better, she takes more pills because that helps.

SPEAKER_01 34:43

I just want to say Bailey would never Grace Anatomy.

SPEAKER_03 34:48

Oh. At this point in the story, Jenna wants to break into the high school fire room because Craig shows up.

SPEAKER_01 34:56

I so want to do that.

SPEAKER_03 34:57

Yeah, I'm not that mad at it.

SPEAKER_01 34:59

Me neither. I'm I'm here for it.

SPEAKER_03 35:04

At the hospital, Sam calls the lady's family because you know she she's dead. So she calls the family to to let them know. And because the lady was like, she, when she was originally there, when she was first there, she kept saying that she had to get home because her family was coming back from a camping trip or something. So she wanted to go home to them. So now Sam has to let them know that she's never coming home again. And you know, she's well, actually, at this point she's not dead. She's coding, but then she's dead. Time of death, 3 13 p.m.

SPEAKER_01 35:41

Don't they usually do 15 30 p.m.? I mean 15 30.

SPEAKER_03 35:45

I don't know. I never coded anyone.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

I think army time is a little bit more it it it lessens.

SPEAKER_03 35:52

I don't know, Agnes. It's a TV show.

SPEAKER_01 35:54

It lessens the sense of error. Like someone might put with their handwriting AMP. May that be clear. But if you do 1530, you know that's it makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 36:04

I I would hope that that is how it's done, but I don't I don't know. I'm gonna look.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

Uh let me see. I'm gonna look when we get off the I'm gonna look at my mother's paperwork and see when we get off.

SPEAKER_03 36:18

Meanwhile, Aaron is on the phone with Will. Will is still in the um emergency room, and Aaron is talking about the kid, and Will says if he found out he had a kid, he'd do anything in the world to keep her in his life. And then Sam messes up to Will about taking the pills. Carla arrives at Aaron's apartment, and I swear to God, did you see the street sign when they panned to the apartment?

SPEAKER_01 36:48

No. If I did, I don't remember. It was either Bedford or it was Grove. Was it? Yes. And you are yes, so Lisa knows her. She knows her city.

SPEAKER_03 37:02

Also, I used to work on Grove Street. So, like, I used to work two blocks from the facade of the friend's building. She's like, I'm the only one who has your emergency key. Hee hee hee, I'm so special. And Aaron is like, by the way, uh, Pascal is back. I have a kid, and forget our date tonight. That's the city airport.

SPEAKER_01 37:23

And then all of this happened in a matter of 1.2 seconds.

SPEAKER_03 37:27

Yeah, she's like, Oh, you're kidding, right? You're kidding, no, you're not kidding. Jenna and Craig have their permanent records. They're talking about the shit that's on their permanent record, and then they start talking about their kiss when Sam and Craig were on a break. We were on a break. I I'm not surprised, but I didn't see that coming.

SPEAKER_01 37:53

Same.

SPEAKER_03 37:54

I didn't have that on my reunion bingo card. Meanwhile, Aaron wants Pascal to stay, but her student visa is expiring tomorrow, so he's like, cool, I know a way we can fix this.

SPEAKER_01 38:14

How convenient.

SPEAKER_03 38:17

First of all, she's like, no, we have to go home. We don't have time to stay. But first, she said she had a layover or something.

SPEAKER_01 38:24

Well, you yes, and she was there for that layover, yes.

SPEAKER_03 38:29

But if you were here on a student visa and it was that important for you to talk to him because of your child, why didn't you do it sooner? Especially if you were in the States. He could have he could have gone to you. Yes. He could have flown you to him.

SPEAKER_01 38:48

That's why it was very suspicious to me, also. Oh, okay. All right. No, I get it. It was the timing was like, girl.

SPEAKER_02 38:55

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 38:56

She's like, I want she wants that for her birthday. She wanted a dad kid story.

SPEAKER_03 39:02

Meanwhile, Jenna and Craig are like pep talking each other in a car about how the teacher doesn't know what he's talking about. Well, principal. And then they're like, He was spot on though. He really was. They're talking about back then again and what would have happened if Will knew. Because they're saying Will was always in love with Sam, and that if they knew that they will knew about Craig and Jenna hooking up, that he definitely would have made a move on Sam.

SPEAKER_00 39:45

Little did they know.

SPEAKER_03 39:47

And I'm like, haha.

SPEAKER_00 39:49

Jokes on you.

SPEAKER_03 39:50

Yeah. But they have some mischievous eyes going on back and forth.

SPEAKER_01 39:54

And I think something that happens bet something happens between them.

SPEAKER_03 40:00

I think so too, no.

SPEAKER_01 40:02

After the first time, I mean in present time not present time, but you know.

SPEAKER_03 40:05

Yeah. Somewhere between 1993 and 2006.

SPEAKER_01 40:09

2006, correct.

SPEAKER_03 40:11

Yeah, I don't I don't trust that.

SPEAKER_01 40:14

No.

SPEAKER_03 40:15

Maybe that's what she was mad at. Maybe they had an affair and then Craig told Sam.

SPEAKER_01 40:20

Okay, maybe that's just too obvious. They threw this as a red herring.

SPEAKER_03 40:26

Maybe, but I'm gonna I'm gonna put I'm gonna put that string on my imaginary board because no one has sent me it.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

Hey God. Because I think that board would have she would have had so much string wrapped around the board, it would have reached, it would have reached all the way to Wisconsin.

SPEAKER_03 40:42

You know what? I'm such an idiot. I literally had to take my daughter this morning to get yarn, and I forgot to buy red, and everything was 25% off. Oh, see, womp womp. Well, here's why. She's like really into crochet now, and people and she made herself like a crossbody bag. It's so cute. She made one for her sister because her sister was like, Oh, I want one. She made Alex a scarf, and Alex's friend is like, Oh, I like that scarf. Because she's like variegated colors.

SPEAKER_04 41:19

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 41:19

So it it came out really nice. It's like a um like a beige and brown, so it almost looks like it's striped. One of Alex's friends saw, saw it and was like, oh, that's nice, or whatever. And when he said that Amaris made it, the guy was like, Oh, I'll pay her if she can make me one.

SPEAKER_01 41:42

Nice.

SPEAKER_03 41:43

So she was like, Can you take me to the store so I can get because he he's looking for whatever we didn't find it when we went, and I was like, All right, well, your father's gonna take you to the next store because I got I got a podcast to record.

SPEAKER_01 41:56

Um, because and because we're parents, specifically mothers, whatever yarn you buy her is not gonna cut, it's not gonna cut into her profit. You're gonna let her keep the money, right?

SPEAKER_03 42:10

Oh no, no, no, no. She she bought she bought it already. Yes. Okay. But I also bought because she was asking me, she was like, Oh, I want to make you something because I like to keep busy. She's like, So once I'm done with the scarf, um, I'm looking for something else. She's like, maybe a blanket, but she's like, What do you want? She's like, Do you want me to make you a blanket? And I was like, What about when we got there? I saw this fabric, this yarn. It was like a silver, but it kind of sparkled almost. So I was like, what about like a shawl?

SPEAKER_01 42:43

You know, like a like You were such a shawl person, yes.

SPEAKER_03 42:46

Yeah, yeah. I'm I'm a grandma, it's fine. So I bought a bunch of those. Like I the store was going out of business, so things were like everything 25% off. So I literally grabbed all eight uh that they had left because I'm like, you know, I'd rather have more because if if if it's not enough, it can't go back. Right. And then the color that she was looking for for the other person, they didn't really have what she was looking for, but I found three yarns and she was like, I don't know if that's good, so I just bought them. And I was like, if she wants them, they're hers.

SPEAKER_01 43:26

Right.

SPEAKER_03 43:26

And the other yarn is just for her to not have to because she wants to make me something, but you know, whatever. I don't, I don't care. I'm happy. But I don't want her to have to buy it.

SPEAKER_01 43:38

Buy it. I love our kids.

SPEAKER_03 43:40

So, but everything else, like she bought. So and I told her I was like, she was like, Oh, dad wants another scarf. And I was like, All right, well, just like drug dealers, the first one's free, and everything else you gotta pay for. And she started laughing. I was like, at least make him pay for the yarn. Seriously, he's not charity.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

Come on, but I love you. Oh, I that's fine.

SPEAKER_03 44:06

I was like, I I know you like doing it. I'm not saying that you necessarily have to charge people or make a profit if you don't want to, but the least you are 16. Least they can do is pay for your yarn. Back at the hospital, six. Sam goes into the office. It felt like she told Will that she wanted to confess about the pills, and Will is like, no, don't do it. Like, you're a good doctor. Um, so Sam goes into the office and she gets the cause of death, which was anaphylactic shock. And sure enough, the lady told her that she had no allergies, but she was allergic to the antibiotic that Sam prescribed. She tells the doctor that she has doubts about her ability as a doctor, and then the guy is like so slimy, sweet to her.

SPEAKER_01 45:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 45:07

That I'm like, they must be fucking.

SPEAKER_01 45:10

I see. Yes, or he wants to.

SPEAKER_03 45:15

Because that was the kind of shit that you're like, no, you're a great doctor, and then you wrap her in your arms and you bend her over a desk. I feel like that's what I thought was gonna happen.

SPEAKER_01 45:27

It's very like possible future sexual harassment in the works, and the fact that he went so angry at her. I mean, honestly, I've seen it just It just felt disproportionate. Correct.

SPEAKER_03 45:44

I don't get that maybe, but it just it just felt disproportionate to the situation.

SPEAKER_01 45:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 45:51

Craig and Jenna arrive at the bar and Will calls to say they're not coming. Sam had a hard day, they're not gonna make it. And Craig is like, Jenna, let me give you a ride to the city. Sam works in a fucking hospital. She has a kid who we never see in this episode, who's gotta be like two years old at this point. And after we're and we I've never worked in a hospital, I'm not a doctor. I'm guessing that these shifts are not like easy breezy eight-hour shifts. Why the fuck wouldn't you bring the party to her? It's her birthday. Why are you making her come to the party? And then on top of it, Craig is like, don't forget we have reservations. You're not even gonna be there to take her. She got bitch gotta make her own way to her party, upstate New York. Like, that's the worst birthday gift ever.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

The whole thing kind of sucked ass to me.

SPEAKER_03 46:46

It did.

SPEAKER_01 46:47

It really is.

SPEAKER_03 46:48

Roll the party at the apartment. You wanna surprise her? She's not expecting that. You're gonna return home after work to get ready for dinner out, right? But then when she gets home, because you know she's working all day, it's a party. Right. Easy peasy.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

Once again, the writers didn't think this through.

SPEAKER_03 47:10

Yeah, it it it it just seemed like we have to keep Bedford in play. How do we do that?

SPEAKER_01 47:17

But they don't have to keep it in play. They could just do it by name. They could mention Bedford, it'll still be in play.

SPEAKER_03 47:22

They could have still sent, I guess maybe they had to get Craig to Bedford.

SPEAKER_01 47:28

Yeah, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 47:30

But because Jenna could have still been there. Aaron, well, I guess no, Aaron was in the city. So I guess maybe they had to get Craig and Jenna alone. Or but how hard would it have been for Craig to just be like, I'll just come and pick up Jenna? Since he likes to drive back and forth anyway. He could have just picked her up from the school and then said, Alright, let's let's head, you know, we gotta head back into the city because you know. Uh anyway. Aaron is at home with Pascal and Chloe. He's like making up the bedroom for them, and then, or he gives them the bedroom, he's making up the couch for himself. And this is where I was like, yeah, definitely getting like a suspicious. It was on the fence for me before. And then after she he's making himself a cow uh a bed on the couch, he's going to sleep, and then she comes out of the room all slinky, like laying next to him, and he's like, you know, you don't have to, and she's like, I want to. And I'm like, I don't think that's his kid, and I think she just needs to she's playing him. Maybe she's getting married because one, she wants to stay in the country, and two, she knows that he's gonna have money, and then when she divorces him, she's gonna get half, because you know they ain't getting a prenup with this quickie marriage.

SPEAKER_01 48:58

So I agree. I gotta put that in there before you start yelling at me. I agree with you.

SPEAKER_03 49:06

Never yell at you.

SPEAKER_01 49:09

So what if the whole slinky and I want to have sex? What if it's the whole we've already sex, we already slept together before? Doing it is not that big of a deal. So let's get my rocks off. Why not? But let's do like I don't know if it's suspicious in itself. Like, eh. Let's, you know, get my rocks off. Someone is safe. I know how he performs. It's good. Let's just go with that. Um, but and what if the so slinky stuff and you know what what what makes your teeth itch? It's just her being French. What makes throwing out there?

SPEAKER_03 49:50

Itch.

SPEAKER_01 49:50

And only people from Brooklyn say that. I gotta tell you, if you know, you know.

SPEAKER_03 49:56

It's not that she slinked out onto the couch.

SPEAKER_01 50:01

Get your combination of everything, this the the vibe.

SPEAKER_03 50:15

Just so happened to be in the States or in New York for a short time, possibly even coming from France to the States. And it's like, I have a daughter and I didn't want to tell you by phone, and whatever the case is, right? All the benefits of all the doubts. But it was so important that I needed to come here to tell you. Okay. But then we find out that's not the case. Not only has she been in the states, but then she's like, we gotta get back to the hotel. Now, if you only had a layover, why would you have a hotel?

SPEAKER_01 50:55

Yeah, a hotel.

SPEAKER_03 50:56

Because she's like, she leaves in a couple of hours.

SPEAKER_01 50:59

That bothered me to no end.

SPEAKER_03 51:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:01

When she was leaving the office, I was like, that makes no sense.

SPEAKER_03 51:04

That doesn't make any kind of sense.

SPEAKER_00 51:06

At all.

SPEAKER_03 51:08

Now, unless you are a person where money is no object and you want a place to put your but really you don't have your shit with you. If you have a layover, the airline is handling your luggage. It's just like your carry on a you know, your personal item that you know that made sense. Which was another thing that made me like, well, was it a 24-hour layover?

SPEAKER_01 51:34

An overnight layover? She didn't say. She just said that the did she?

SPEAKER_03 51:38

That no, but that doesn't make sense either because even if it was, then why wouldn't she have come sooner? Oh, that because he was like, oh, but let's let's go. She was like, no, but no, we have to leave in a couple hours.

SPEAKER_01 51:57

I gotta get back to the hotel.

SPEAKER_03 51:58

I was just like, bitch, well if you if you got a hotel because you were here for an extended time, why did you wait till the last minute?

SPEAKER_01 52:06

And if it's just took up hours, how'd you get a fucking hotel room for it?

SPEAKER_03 52:09

It's that scam behavior, you know, like when people call you and they're like, listen, we're we're calling to collect a debt and you need to pay us like right now, otherwise we're gonna call the police, we're gonna call the the the whatever, the lawyers that sue you. And it's that rush that makes people fall for it. That's what it felt like, right? Yeah, because you're too busy worrying about what the what the um consequence might be of delay, then you're not thinking straight about should you be doing this? It's a pantry. And so that's what it felt like. It felt like that scam behavior, like, no, no, no, no, no, no, I got a plane to catch. Like, this is your moment right now. What are you gonna do with it? So once he already I can occur. Once he already said, like, I know a way for you to stay here because she's literally getting into a taxi. Also, I felt very uncomfortable with that kid just sitting in the taxi by herself.

SPEAKER_01 53:09

That bothered me too. But no.

SPEAKER_03 53:11

If that taxi takes off, your kid is gone. And I and I know that not everybody is crazy, but like all I could think of was your kid is alone in a taxi while you're over here having a conversation, and like, oh, she's too far.

SPEAKER_01 53:26

Even if the door was open. I mean, let's say best case, he does it by, he's like, oh, everyone's in the car, I'm out. Like, best case scenario, anything can happen. Anyway, back to okay.

SPEAKER_03 53:38

I'm glad I'm not the only crazy one. Like, but yeah, no, it just it just felt like she already achieved her goal, but she has to continue to sell it.

SPEAKER_01 53:50

Because she needs to lock it in, it needs to seal it, she needs to seal the deal.

SPEAKER_03 53:54

It has to be believable, wrap it up in a bow.

unknown 53:57

Right.

SPEAKER_01 53:58

And I'm using like charades if people could imagine Agnes tying a bow.

SPEAKER_03 54:02

Right, right. Because even though, yes, she's gonna get the marriage, she's gonna get him, they're not a done yet. It's not a done deal, right? So she she has to keep up appearances until that that document is signed. Signed, sealed, delivered. I'm yours. And also, even if she wanted nothing from him, fuck it, bitch, get your rocks off. If it works for you and it works for him, who am I to complain about it? You like it, I love it. Exactly. We go back to present day, we're at the cemetery, and Will now sticks up for Sam against Jeremy. And I'm just like, I know that this show is full of writers who think that coincidences are just a normal day, a Tuesday for writing the show. But what are the fucking odds that this guy who had an interaction with Sam 13 years ago in New York City happens to be in Bedford, New York, at the cemetery while her husband and one of best friends are there grieving, and not just that, but that Will is the one who chose to talk to the guy. The guy chose to open up to Will, and Will happened to also have been at the situation and know the sorry three. All of it made if you had that happen in your real life, run to the nearest lottery place.

SPEAKER_01 55:44

No, I'm like, this is all a scam, this is all a setup because this does not happen.

SPEAKER_03 55:48

That episode of Frazier where Niles beats the odds, like every single place that he goes, and then until he's like, um, you need to go to the hospital right now. Like, that's even more believable. You know, like you know the the games where you unscrew the bottle caps and it's like you're a winner.

SPEAKER_01 56:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 56:06

Like he kept winning those. He kept everything. It was he was beating the odds, and then they're like, Okay. Yeah. Anyway, this was worse. Back in '93, Sam is busy washing all her pills down the drain, and Craig gets home. And he's like, Oh my god, I'm just so glad. Like, I'm so sorry I ruined everything. He's like, No, I'm just so glad you're okay. Where's the kid?

SPEAKER_01 56:28

With the babysitter, with the nanny, with her parents.

SPEAKER_03 56:36

I mean, I'm pretty sure we saw the kid at the beginning. Because like the, you know, like the Christmas. But like, yes. But do you forget you have kids? I love how TV shows make parenting look so easy. Like the kid is only there when it's convenient. Not like in real life, when you can't even shit in peace. But I digress. Also, I'm so jealous of their hardwood floors. That's how you know when you're an adult. Because you're like, oh, let me look at the floors. Seriously.

SPEAKER_01 57:07

And I feel that's what I do miss about living in New York. Every apartment had hardwood floors.

SPEAKER_03 57:12

Well, a lot of them, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:14

The projects had hardwood floors.

SPEAKER_03 57:16

You know what I mean? No, they don't. I've been at my share of projects.

SPEAKER_01 57:20

I don't know what projects you my grandfather used to live in um like 130. He was a grandfather, you know, esque, whatever. Made like the project. Yeah, 135th Street.

SPEAKER_03 57:34

My grandmother lived on 155th Street.

SPEAKER_01 57:36

Oh, cool. So she didn't have hardwood floors. Oh, he they did. They had hardwood floors. But there's a but there's still a lot of there are apartments, there are projects with hardwood floors though.

SPEAKER_03 57:48

Okay, I'm just not all of them. I've been in polo grounds, I've been in Bushwick projects, Cooper Park projects, Red Hook projects, Guanis projects. None of them have hardwood floors. And these are places that I've spent time with because family lives there. Okay, so none of them have hardwood had hardwood floors in the 80s and the 90s, and today.

SPEAKER_01 58:10

Well, I mean, I don't my grandmother doesn't live in the polo grounds anymore, and I haven't been to the Bred Hook project since the 90s, but to be fair, the buildings originally weren't meant to be projects. Well, you see, why don't you start with the project? But they are I was about to, I was trying to. I was like, um, I if you go back and listen to the edits, I tried to interject that a couple of times.

SPEAKER_03 58:35

You started with the projects had hardwood fluids.

SPEAKER_01 58:38

But because I had to think about it. I'm like, but wait, I don't think I don't because if I remember correctly, damn, I had to ask my mom.

SPEAKER_03 58:46

They're like those fucking asbestos tiles in the projects. They had um the shit that you find in like schools.

SPEAKER_01 58:53

There was different complex, different buildings. They were all made the same, but not all of them legit. You're like, okay, projects. But I think like yeah, these two buildings weren't, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 59:05

Like Starrit City kind of thing, something like that.

SPEAKER_01 59:08

Yeah. You're like, um, how is this one look different than this one?

SPEAKER_03 59:11

No, not Starret City.

SPEAKER_01 59:12

Um I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 59:13

Is the one in Brooklyn by like Kunarsi? By like Canarsi. I can't remember the name of it. There's like projects, but it's not projects.

SPEAKER_01 59:21

Yeah, but but the mean meanwhile, the builders were all the same. Like, how do you know which one?

SPEAKER_03 59:25

Yeah, same thing. Oh, and I've been in in the East New York projects too.

SPEAKER_01 59:29

I've never been to any Brooklyn projects though. I've been in the Brooklyn tenements.

SPEAKER_03 59:35

They lived in one. I mean, technically, that's what they used to be. So anyway. Because it was a brownstone, but like it it was, but it wasn't. But it was, but it wasn't. But um It was in the it was on the tenement side, you know? The bathrooms were in the hall, the showers were in the kitchen, like I um I'm trying to think.

SPEAKER_01 59:59

Oh, even like on the other like McQueer Street going towards the highway, where the buildings were older. Oh tenement style. They had hardwood floors. Well, some of yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:14

We didn't have hardwood floors, we had like some shit, shitty linoleum. I wonder what was underneath that though. It was not hardwood floors.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:23

No, I was hoping. I was hoping.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:26

No, because when my dad finally redid the downstairs, he put in hardwood floors. Nice and job. And when he when he remodeled, he could only afford to do the kitchen at first. And I don't know, I don't you probably weren't there at that time. Um but when you went from the kitchen into like that middle room.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:52

Trying to bake if I remember, okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:54

You had to like step down because of the wood, because the wood made the floor higher a little bit. Oh. So there was like a like a lip of like this much. So you had to be careful that you didn't trip over it. And like the kitchen was always a little bit higher, but then it was like a little bit more higher. More higher. Because of the wood. So that I know that there wasn't wood underneath.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:21

That would have been nice though. That would have been a very nice surprise.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:24

Yeah, but and then when he finally was able to finish the apartment, then it it all It leveled out. It leveled out, yeah. But but yeah. Um anyway.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:36

You gotta stop being mean to me.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:38

I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:39

I guess I had yes, I I didn't have cable, but I had a beeper.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:43

Yes. You live some bougie life that I I know nothing about. Like you had a beeper, you knew the projects with the hardwood floors. Like I'm I'm not sure we grew up in the same place. When you talk about visiting tenements, we're talking about my house.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:05

No. No, as I got older, they're the guys I was messy with.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:12

We didn't have a fucking we didn't even have a fucking lock on our door. Like the door was broken all the entire time that my father had that, the lock on the upstairs door, so like, because technically we had two apartments. Yes. So the upstairs with the bedrooms, we closed the door, we secured the door shut with a fucking folded up piece of paper. Hey, it worked, but no one and but no one broke in. Well, inside the fan the building was family. So Oh, oh, you mean between I thought you meant like outdoor to the outdoor. No, no. Okay. Outdoor, those those doors were two doors were double. Well, the upstairs one was double locked. The downstairs one, only one actually worked. The gate, the the metal gate worked.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:56

That's all that matters.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:58

And that was put there after it was the house was broken into. You know, hindsight and all that. But but you know, we were just worried about somebody coming in from the outside. Once you were inside, it was like a cousin and an aunt, so there we weren't worried about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:14

But the It was more privacy, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:19

Because you didn't need opposable thumbs. It was a doorknob.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:24

You are speaking of which, he's kind of lazy, I guess. But he used to open up Krista's room. Because he used to like, you know, I don't know if you remember. Yeah, the the yeah. He'd just like jump up. You are a very spry, 15-pound cat. Yes, you are, but now he's like, no one's in that room anymore. You keep your room open. There's no need for me to do all this extra work.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:46

So yeah, yeah. Conserve energy. So all right, let's go.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:53

This is the longest hour episode ever.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:57

The b the hardwood floors in their loft were very believable, let me just say. Anyway, Carla arrives to Bedford Hollow, aka the only place that exists in Bedford, New York. And no one's there because they ditched her.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:14

And they didn't, and it's it just wasn't intentional. It's just like, oh, and then they can't actually call on a cell phone. I mean, they had stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:21

Right, there was no cell phones, right? No. But now for nothing. I understand why Craig is like, I I need to run back to the city. Like my wife is having some issue. Yes. Couldn't Jenna have said, let me let me stay here and wait for Carla, yes. No, like why we're not here.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:39

Because as far as they know, Aaron and Carla are coming, but then But she got poor Carla.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:45

She got I know. It's like the fuck your ESP must have been on the brink because Carla didn't get the memo.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:54

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:55

But Peter did, and Peter is like, hey, hi. I was like Do I know you? I had asked, I was like, the way he came up there, I'm like I know. I was like, is he a plant? Why is he here? Why is he talking to her? And saying I'm like, Oh suspicious. I was like, is he someone that I should know? Did I miss something? What the hell? And then you get to I don't think they gave it to us really fast, so it was sad, but it was.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:21

I almost called you.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:22

I was like, what the fuck did I? I'm like, oh, okay. Uh-huh. And her and Peter strike up a relationship, not a relationship, but like um, a relationship in the sense of like them sitting at the bar, having a conversation, talking, whatever. And then we hear REM singing, Everybody Hurts sometimes. At the present, because it pans to the present, and Carla and Aaron are at the cemetery, and they are at Peter Holland's grave that said loving husband. That doesn't mean it was her husband.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:01

Didn't she say something? She goes, he was one she did and miss him so much.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:07

I missed him so much, but that still doesn't mean it was her husband. Could have been Jenna's husband. Jenna stole her man. Now I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:16

But I know it's probably it leads us to believe, but you know, us jaded TV viewers.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:22

I didn't catch the year, though. That's the only thing I didn't catch.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:25

Neither did I. Now I need to go back. I thought you would have.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:28

Oh, damn it. Maybe there's no year.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:30

Maybe it maybe it was worn off.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:32

That's the only thing graves are good for. It's telling us when a person was born and when they died.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:37

Unless it was worn off. Do do do.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:41

All right. Hold on.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:42

They'd probably have it hidden intentionally.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:45

Yeah, you're right. You're right.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:48

That's something they would do. I mean it's it's a smart move. But they because they know people like us are gonna dissect it.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:58

I don't blame them because it might it might be important later, so you know, maybe he died yesterday. Well, you know, la like maybe he died two weeks ago, maybe he died two days after they got married. Which was two days after they met. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:19

I pretty much feel like Or maybe he died like I like a year later of them meeting.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:26

Right. So maybe they got together, they got married, he died, and then her and Aaron still ended up together.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:36

Yeah, I don't feel like they should. I don't want them to.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:40

Maybe Tom met Pascal and they got married. And sh and then, but like, you know, Aaron and Carla were like, yeah, we're just we're just gonna like keep fucking on the side. I guess we'll have to wait at some point. Maybe we shall find out.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:00

It was a really pretty bouquet though. It was what? A very pretty bouquet. It was. I'm looking at it and it looks like it I have a feeling it may have been clear on this original airing, but since these are like Yeah, that's not that's a good point. Because everything just like that whole bottom area is kind of wonky. So I'm thinking it as a streaming issue.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:25

It could be, for sure. Anyway, the husb the Tom husband, like meeting at the bar and then to grave, that actually surprised me. That was also not on my bingo card.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:36

That was not on my bingo card, not at all. I think we need a new stack.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:41

I think so. Okay, that's our assignment for next week. New bingo cards? Is we're gonna have to make some reunion bingo cards. And that, if you're listening, that's your call to action is that if you think that there's something that we should put on our bingo cards, text it to us. We go to the present day, detective is taking a week off, and they're like, in the whole time that you've had this job, you've never taken a sick day. He's like, personal day, and I need to take a week off because I need to find a new place and I need to move. And then we find out that he has a new place and it has a killer view. Because he's looking at Craig. He's got an apartment that is across the street from where Craig lives, so that he can stalk him. And he thinks Craig is a killer, so he's got a view of a killer.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:37

I don't this this is doesn't make sense to me. Fine, you hate well because you think he killed your father, so now like, oh, he has to have done this. For you to go from one to another, it's not because you think they did it. It's like you it's a hatred. So that's just this is that's the reason I really feel as if he has something to do with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:00

And there's a big difference between doing a stupid thing, drinking and driving, and causing an accident that led to someone's death versus murdering your father.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:12

Murdering. And then somehow, just because you didn't kill your father, now the other guys are murdering. None of it makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:19

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:19

And it kind of on its own, it doesn't make sense. And that is why I really think there's a lot more to yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:28

Craig says that his wife was murdered, and I forgot what scene he says it in the episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:35

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:35

Because this the the detective looking at Craig getting going into his building, that's the end of the episode. But at one point in the episode, Craig says his wife was murdered. Could that be taken or written with some liberty, like the way the detective said, I have a killer view? Right. Meaning, like maybe it's a little bit more poetic.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:58

Yeah, or somebody caused her to kill herself and that's murder, you know, something a little bit more. It could be like murdered by her addiction. Yeah, I if that just turns out to be what happens, I wouldn't be surprised.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:14

Yeah. Because it just seemed I I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:19

Um because if she was really murdered, I I think they would be acting a little bit different.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:25

Yeah, his his behavior is a little which we we know that even under the best of circumstances, people grieve in all different ways. So I'm not gonna say how he should be grieving or what he should be doing. However, I can also understand that as a police officer, you're taught to look for certain things and they don't necessarily look out of the box.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:54

But none of them are acting like murdered.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:59

Right, but which is why I can understand why the detective thinks that they might have something to do with it even before he's looking for the evidence. And I'm not saying that he's right, I'm just saying that I could I could understand how he gets from one to the next.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:12

Right, because if there was of the five and they five of them acted different ways, you'd like, okay, that's grief. But none of them, they're all acting kind of that's on like they're hiding something by don't I don't think either I don't think any of them the murderer.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:27

And the truth is that you always start from the closest and go. I didn't notice the locket at all this episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:39

Neither did I. I was on LocketWatch.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:41

You got all your lock watch shit. I hate you. Yay! Lock it watch together.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:47

That's a new hashtag. We really need to be adding that together.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:50

I'll I'll I'll go back and put that on the post.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:53

That's hysterical.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:55

I don't think I have anything else for this episode. This episode just it was a little bland. Mm-hmm. It really, really, I mean, it gave us a few strings to pull at, like these weird things.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:11

But it could have been an email.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:13

Yeah. Jerry was a complete red herring. Okay, he turns out to be the lady's kid. Okay. Another person who died and they're blaming one of the six. No, how about you blame your stupid ass mother who forgot to say that she had allergies?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:28

Or she might not have known she had allergies. If you never had the medication, you don't know if you're allergic to it. You are correct. You you're right. Because I assume she didn't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:38

That's that's that's fair. When they ask me, do you have any allergies to medicine? And I always say none that I know of.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:45

Always. That's why I started saying, because I would say none to my knowledge. Always.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:49

If I've never been on a medication, I don't know if I'm allergic to it.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:52

I don't know. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:53

Not to my knowledge.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:54

Let's find out.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:56

And these are the medications that I've taken, and I'm not allergic to those. But it so that was like a complete fucking waste of time. Because you just like I really didn't think that he was gonna give us much, but the fact that it just served as a device to tell the story of the lady dying in the hospital, it just seemed it just seemed stupid. The fact that we got that little Jenna Craig tidbit is like, okay, maybe that's a string we can pull at later. The Carla Tom situation gives us a little.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:35

I think with the whole son and mother thing, I think they wanted to they they introduced her pill issue, and at the same time, they wanted to wrap it up in a bow quickly.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:48

And because you know I think that's I think that was their purpose. Okay, let's what are we gonna do to get her off dogs now? That's true. I think that was I think that was this only purpose.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:00

And then there's the Pascal, Chloe, Aaron Babi, which which I think is the most meaty part of the whole episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:12

And that's not saying much. And yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:17

So next we go to 1994, and I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:22

I have no fucking idea what we might see next. I'm confusion. I am confusion. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:33

Um I'm next to you. I'm confusion squared.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:51

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:55

Wow. Okay. What what we have to do though before we end this episode, which we kind of forgot to do last week, so sorry. We have to give a shout out to our new Patreon member, Melissa. Yeah. Thank you so so much for showing us the support this way. We appreciate it more than we can express to you. And we hope that by now your little care package has reached you and that it's cool and you're enjoying it. And we just want you to know that we we appreciate you. So thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:32

And we're looking for an opening reel on your Instagram. That'd be fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:37

Oh, that'd be cool if she didn't do it already. If she didn't do it, well, she can pack it up and then reopen it. Quite quick, put it back together. 1994 is next. I don't know. Don't drink and drive, drink responsibly, text us for stuff, sassenstips.com. I'm Lisa. And I'm Agnes. Yeah, but we we gotta go do stuff. Bye.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:01

See you later. Bye. Speaking of raccoons, say hi, Simon.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:16

I was like, you got a raccoon? You know what I want? I want a crow and an owl. What are you getting all your familiars and lined up? I don't know. I've been watching a lot of TikTok videos with owls and I'm like, my god, they're so stinking cute.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:29

Well, I'm going to start feeding feeding the crows around here.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:32

I feed the crows around here, but none of them want to be my friend.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:36

Maybe change the change the meals. Change the diet, see what they want. Like, hey, what do you want to eat? What's for dinner tonight?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:45

I don't know yet. I'm hoping. Oh, I was like, that's what I'm gonna say to the crows. Oh, tonight. I'm hoping Alex is gonna figure that out today.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:54

No, I was like, this is what this is your conversation with the crows. Like, what do you want for dinner?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:59

I know. I'm I will just want to be your friend and have you take on my enemies. Like, I don't want much.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:06

She's like, I don't want much.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:08

Look at you. You know, they say that crows remember faces. So if you want them to do your bidding for you and go after your enemies, you just gotta wear a mask with the face of your enemy and then like throw a rock at it, and then they'll like remember that. And then when they see that actual person, they'll be like, Oh, that's the guy. And get them.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:30

Okay, see, my thing is I don't have a particular enemy that's here. So I just want them to look out for my well-being. So that's why I want them to also bring me shiny objects. That's just if I could get a can you imagine I can get crows to bring me gifts before I can get a man to do that. That's wild. Same. That's no, I'm wild.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:55

I'm lying.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:56

No, but the fact that it would be easier.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:01

You know what he got me for Valentine's Day? A cell from Looney um Looney Tunes.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:09

A cell?

SPEAKER_03 1:19:10

Yeah. I'll show you.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:17

Oh my little daughter.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:24

Oh my god. This is great audio. You look like Dr. Evil over there.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:30

He was just hugging me and then he got com he decided to lay down and get comfortable. My cat loves me. I keep hitting the table and hurting myself. Oh, I can see Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:45

Oh, the honeymoon. Limited edition s serograph cell. Oh, he knows his wife. I just gotta get a frame for it, but he could be a good good gift giver.